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Nick Griffin elected MEP for North West region...
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That's easy. So many politicians since the end of Thatcher have proven they are corrupt bastards (along with party leaders having them back as soon as they think the 'stupid' public has forgotten) that most people think mainstream politicians are a waste of space.
They used to resign but I bet few remember the time when they did that if caught being a cunt.
That only leaves the 'new' groups.
The greens are seen as eco loonies.
The far left have no clue about politics and how to get a message over.
That leaves the fat fuck griffin and his band of merry bastards who, while they are cunts of the first order, know how to sound good with a new (new except for the 1930s and 40s Germany) message of hope.
I'll give the left a clue as at least we share one common goal in wanting Griffin and his cunts to fuck off.
Stop being anti nazi. Negative messages don't work.
Get pro happy or something.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
The Socialist Labour Party starring Arthur Scargill has that policy people could have voted for them if they had a massive hard on for public ownership of the utilities.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
At a guess, a large number of people recognise that all of the 'mainstream' parties are not willing to act in their interests (see my post above for a clear example)
Some of those people believe that this is because those 'mainstream' parties are neo-liberal capitalists and therefore act in the interests of capital rather than the majority population. Those people tend to vote Green, or for one of the left micro-parties or not at all.
Other people, while still to some degree recognising that the mainstream parties don't act in their interests have somehow become convinced that this is all the fault of various kinds of foreigners and for the most part (ie the 17.4% who voted UKIP) seem to think that neo-liberal capitalism only with less foreigners would be just the ticket.
Between the neo-nazi party and the closet racist party they just took ~24% of the vote with the tories on 29%.
The highest result for a party that isn't firmly wedded to some form of neo-liberal capitalism being the Greens on 8.7%.
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
The reason I asked was because moon23 apparently wants people who are disengaged with the political system (because they don't get their voices heard) use the political system (???) to get their voices heard. "Switched on" righteous fuckwit.
Greens, populist, fringe-nutters, lulz, you on the happy pills Barry?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Well yes, which nicely illustrates my point. No electable party is willing to offer a policy which apparently 67% of the country would like to see.
I think this is a real problem for anyone who wants to claim that democracy in the UK is working.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
An armful of cunts.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Except that it's actually 67% of people surveyed in a poll conducted on behalf of the group whose charter contains the same demand (of those, half only mildy support nationalisation, and if you look at the figures for young people, it's barely 10%).
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
The only one I got was the BNP.
Is that the way to tackle racism and fascism in our communities? To forget about them for four years, then maybe send out leaflets, and maybe not?
Pretty shit evening in all.
9% of the vote in the North East.
The far right parties tend to do well in areas where there are large number of immigrants. I don't think the North East fits into that bracket.
The far right parties do better in times of economic hardship, although if memory serves, they didn't do this well in Britain during the last recession.
I still don't think BNP are a threat and would be absolutely amazed if they even came 3rd in any seat in a General Election. Although from the sounds of it, they will get a lot more funding from joining other far right parties across Europe. Figures banded about were nearly £1m.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
See, this is what does get my back up - we had ~6 leaflets from people standing in London - how many actually took the time to ring the bell and explain their policies as used to happen? None, not one.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Still a majority though, unless you're claiming the poll was bent. It indicates that there is significant support for renationalising utilities, a subject which as far as I'm aware is not even up for debate by any of the 'mainstream' parties.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
The 67% are probably attracted to abstract notion of public ownership of the utilities. If any party that was ever going to get anywhere near power had it as a policy then it would be subject to much more scrutiny and the full ramifications of trying to implement it would be come apparent. Which is obviously why Labour aren't adopting it as the resulting stock market shitstorm and EU related difficulties mean it would probably be a net vote loser.
The current party and representative systems stems from a time when a man on a horse was the dominant telecommunications technology. We've now got the ability to have, if we chose to, direct democracy on each individual issue rather than on a manifesto once every four years. I doubt the resulting society would be to the taste of U75's eco-lefties though.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Politics has disengaged with us, not the other way round. When it comes to voting or not voting you're caught between a rock and a hard place; not voting can let in scum like the BNP but voting is an admission of complicity with and acceptance of a crooked and fucked up system. When there is no party with an agenda that goes beyond gaining more power via any bolt-on ideology or soundbite that happens to be passing it's not hard to see why people can no longer be arsed, no longer wish to give the big scam a veneer of legitimacy.
If nobody voted at all, no BNP.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
That is the one thing upon which I agree with you. Action is most certainly required. But that action is not putting a cross on a ballot paper.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Sure, but to me this illustrates that the mainstream political parties work for the markets rather than the majority population. That financial markets get to have a veto over policy but the people mostly don't.
Funny sort of democracy if you ask me ...
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Largely agree with that. And I also didn't vote because I'm fucked if I'll endorse a system which I find in its current form to be so abhorrent, nor will I vote for a party I don't believe in just because I'm scared of the BNP, not that they're really an issue of any sort where I am.
Also I'd bet that the BNP got at least a chunk of their vote thanks to the terror mongering designed to stop them, there must've been more money spent on writing fliers about the BNP than there was on any one of the major parties and it's no surprise that a neverending parade of cunts telling you how evil this other guy is inspires a certain amount of time for the other guy in peoples minds. Those who have no political ideas of their own shouldn't be allowed to base their campaigns on the BNP, it does infinitely more harm than good in gaining them recognition and making them look legit.
Just after the nazi toff from Yorkshire won a seat i watched some New Labour minister i've never heard of before quizzed by the bloke off Question Time, as to why the nazis won a seat. All he could say they were racist. for fucks sake. I was expecting him to tell us the Pope is a catholic! They are a bunch of violent loons that would love to see a race war, they wanted the army sent in to the miners during the strike ("Protecting people's jobs"?) , they would deal with the recesssion by forcing those unable to find a job to work for £1.40 an hour -
but then Mr New Labour couldn't argue with the last one cos thats THEIR policy too - WORKFARE.
but then Mr New Labour couldn't argue with the last one cos thats THEIR policy too - WORKFARE.
Exactly.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Exactly. The Labour vote absolutely collapsed. The inference is, therefore, that had the Labour vote gone out, the BNP wouldn't have won any seats. Indeed, we should have all voted Labour.
Eh, no thanks. Not least because they'd take from that not that their vote was an anti fascist vote, but that it was an endorsement of Labour.
CRI
Registered Chooser
Absolute shit news, no doubt about it.
Personally speaking, I'm prepared to vote for the least of however many evils there are on the ballot, even if I have to hold my nose as I do it. I'd rather do that to STOP fascists getting seats than sit on my arse and allow protest votes and the foot soldiers of the far right to get the BNP in.
I don't necessarily expect representatives from all the parties to knock my door and give me a run down of their policies and why I should vote for them. They'd be lucky to find me at home for starters and frankly, I can think of better things to do with my time. I can do my research on the internetz, which is what I did before I voted last week. Simples really.
It irks me that the smug arses will be milking this for all it's worth - for now. But there may be a silver lining.
For starters, there will be plenty of "I don't vote, I don't see the point," folks shocked and not a little appalled that two BNP MEPs were elected with a miniscule turnout. (I voted late and the poll officer said they'd be lucky to get 15% before the night was out.) Maybe they'll wise up that sometimes a vote AGAINST is as important as a vote FOR in an election.
Then when the confetti has been swept up at BNP HQ and the hub ub in the media has died down, those two clowns have to actually serve as MEP. We know most of the BNP councillors are feckin useless when they actually take their seats. I fully expect Griffin and his pal to be just the same. They ain't going to have any real power anyhow.
Personally speaking, I'm prepared to vote for the least of however many evils there are on the ballot, even if I have to hold my nose as I do it. I'd rather do that to STOP fascists getting seats than sit on my arse and allow protest votes and the foot soldiers of the far right to get the BNP in.
I don't necessarily expect representatives from all the parties to knock my door and give me a run down of their policies and why I should vote for them. They'd be lucky to find me at home for starters and frankly, I can think of better things to do with my time. I can do my research on the internetz, which is what I did before I voted last week. Simples really.
It irks me that the smug arses will be milking this for all it's worth - for now. But there may be a silver lining.
For starters, there will be plenty of "I don't vote, I don't see the point," folks shocked and not a little appalled that two BNP MEPs were elected with a miniscule turnout. (I voted late and the poll officer said they'd be lucky to get 15% before the night was out.) Maybe they'll wise up that sometimes a vote AGAINST is as important as a vote FOR in an election.
Then when the confetti has been swept up at BNP HQ and the hub ub in the media has died down, those two clowns have to actually serve as MEP. We know most of the BNP councillors are feckin useless when they actually take their seats. I fully expect Griffin and his pal to be just the same. They ain't going to have any real power anyhow.
Not so - that accolade falls upon the SNP's shoulders.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Shame they didn't win more seats though.
They got nearly a third of the conservative vote but 1/12 of the seats. I suppose I should have guessed that the kind of PR system we were going to get would be a shitty one.
dennisr
the acceptable face
I agree - Its daft to blame 'non-voters'. Their inaction is fully understandable. What is needed is a genuine alternative to the establishment.
Joe Higgins got in in Dublin
Higgins beats Ryan to third European seat in Dublin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0608/breaking2.htm
"A native of Co Kerry, Mr Higgins, aged 60, once studied for the priesthood but later became an atheist. His incisive contributions in the Dail made him a thorn in the side of former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern from 1997-2007. His election campaign was funded on a shoestring budget and his black and white posters claimed he was: ‘The Best Fighter Money Can’t Buy’."[/QUOTE]
Ah bless!
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I like this idea!
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Sombre Europeans Unite To Commemorate Fight Against, Vote For, Fascism
"We Must Never Forget To Vote For Paranoid, Xenophobic Hatred And Thuggish Persecution Of Inferior Races,"
BBC News, 8th June
Heads were bowed across Europe yesterday as the continent paused to remember the millions of people who gave their lives to create a free, democratic world for fascism and hatred.
World leaders gathered in Normandy to commemorate the D-Day landings, the great military operation which paved the way for the defeat of Nazism, while across Europe voters rushed to the polls to hand racist propagandists a ringing endorsement.
The 65 year anniversary of the landings, in which tens of thousands of allied troops gave their lives, were marked by mass celebrations among Europeans eager to recall how much they hate each other, especially the filthy Untermenschen amongst them who pollute the purity of the Aryan race.
There were tears from veterans as they recalled the sacrifices of their fallen comrades. Terry Baker, 92, recalled how he had seen four friends cut in half by machine gun fire on Juno beach.
"It was so long ago, but I can still remember their deaths it like it happened yesterday," he said. "Of course, what with the way things have turned out, it looks like they would've been better off volunteering for the fucking Wehrmacht."
The weekend's electoral results have been hailed as a triumphant victory for democracy, intolerance and cattle truck manufacturers.
http://flyingrodent.blogspot.com/
"We Must Never Forget To Vote For Paranoid, Xenophobic Hatred And Thuggish Persecution Of Inferior Races,"
BBC News, 8th June
Heads were bowed across Europe yesterday as the continent paused to remember the millions of people who gave their lives to create a free, democratic world for fascism and hatred.
World leaders gathered in Normandy to commemorate the D-Day landings, the great military operation which paved the way for the defeat of Nazism, while across Europe voters rushed to the polls to hand racist propagandists a ringing endorsement.
The 65 year anniversary of the landings, in which tens of thousands of allied troops gave their lives, were marked by mass celebrations among Europeans eager to recall how much they hate each other, especially the filthy Untermenschen amongst them who pollute the purity of the Aryan race.
There were tears from veterans as they recalled the sacrifices of their fallen comrades. Terry Baker, 92, recalled how he had seen four friends cut in half by machine gun fire on Juno beach.
"It was so long ago, but I can still remember their deaths it like it happened yesterday," he said. "Of course, what with the way things have turned out, it looks like they would've been better off volunteering for the fucking Wehrmacht."
The weekend's electoral results have been hailed as a triumphant victory for democracy, intolerance and cattle truck manufacturers.
http://flyingrodent.blogspot.com/
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