revol68
what, fucking what?
Yes I know, maybe my point wasn't blunt enough.
Nick Griffin elected MEP for North West region...
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Yes I know, maybe my point wasn't blunt enough.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
I am annoyed and angry at the BNP victory, but something said in another thread has stuck with me.
The working class has had their say. And they didn't go to the left. So more than just one lesson learnt here.
BNP now in London Assembly, 2 MEPs...In a democracy the votes stack up the way they do....
The working class has had their say. And they didn't go to the left. So more than just one lesson learnt here.
BNP now in London Assembly, 2 MEPs...In a democracy the votes stack up the way they do....
revol68
what, fucking what?
Is the sociological working class a disproportionate percentage of BNP voters?
You assume this is working class votes. In a secret ballot that's hard (but not impossible) to prove.
One of the BNP's longer term goals is to reduce the franchise and I can't figure how they'd get the upper and middle classes to give up their right to vote.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The facist fucks will be crowing about their sucess no doubt - and it will bring them a higher profile, a certian degree of respectibilty and money.
However, despite us being in the middle of a recession, with a government and political system held in near universal contempt and ongoing media fear-mongering about muslims and immigration, the number of people voting for them barely changed from last time.
As an insitution and political machine they are stronger - but they are not anyway near some sort of popular breakthrough.
However, despite us being in the middle of a recession, with a government and political system held in near universal contempt and ongoing media fear-mongering about muslims and immigration, the number of people voting for them barely changed from last time.
As an insitution and political machine they are stronger - but they are not anyway near some sort of popular breakthrough.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Well, I didn't vote last time either. (And anyway, they didn't win in my region). The reason they won is that there is a significant proportion of the population to whom they speak. That support base is there regardless of ballot boxes. It was there last time, and is there now. It won't be caused to vanish by electoral trickery; it will not disappear merely by having a higher turn-out for other parties. That may result in their having no elected representatives, but it won't tackle why they have support in the first place. That will only be tackled by engaging with why the message appeals to those it appeals to, and fighting that in the communities.
It was not non-voters who voted for the BNP.
Although of course in the Euro PR elections there was plenty of choice to vote for smaller parties or individuals. There was plenty on the menu
Then vote green. Surely that's better than not voting at all.
not because people voted for the BNP?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Hey - convince the BNP voters to vote Green. You're wasting your time with me, I didn't vote at all.
Yes the BNP have got in on people neglecting thier democratic duty. Shameful our grandparents fought for freedom and these days people cant even be bothered to walk to a polling booth.
Tacita
Pipe Dreamer
I feel sick and afraid.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Or maybe it's just a different battle nowadays?
No because less people voted for them. People not voting is the problem here, if you disengage with politics the facists will fill the gap, inaction is a moraly culpable decision.
Same battle against ignorance, fear and hate. Different players.
There is that, certainly labour voters either stayed away or picked someone else this time round.
I am very pro-european myself, I believe it brings massive benefits to our continent being in that trading block, mainly financially but also stability.
IMO people dont seem to want their laws set by a body that they have little influence over, in Europe, Britain is just a small part of a much bigger voting block.
Also people feel we get a hard deal when it comes to refugees and asylum seekers, who should register in the first country they arrive, which is apparently Britain at the end of the continent, and they feel that people are taking the piss and coming here simply because its better for them.
Immigration is a Europe-wide issue, yet our European overseers have been toothless on the issue, while trying to ram dictats down our throats, and not taking no for an answer and not respecting the views of the people when they say no.
The BNP victories are the hard edge of a disillusionment over Europe and a political system that offers bugger all choice.
Well done the Greens btw, I believe they had the biggest percentage increase of the lot.
But a populist platform is all that any fringe nutter party (like the Greens, also with 2 seats) can point to.
Nobody votes for one trick pony parties because thay want them in government, that's why they never succeed unless it's an election with proportional representation.
golightly
Actively uneconomic
Indeed but at least half of them were independents who did not do any canvassing or leafletting as far as I could tell so I did not have a clue what policies they were standing for.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
John McDonnell and his mates had some polling done, demonstrating that 67% of the UK population would like to see the public utilities renationalised. That's a pretty solid majority of the population.
So, if we have a functioning democracy, who do they vote for to get that policy enacted? All of the parties capable of forming or being invited to join a government are committed to neo-liberal capitalism and are not offering to re-nationalise anything as far as I'm aware, despite a clear majority of the population being in favour of such a policy. No wonder we see voter apathy.
So, if we have a functioning democracy, who do they vote for to get that policy enacted? All of the parties capable of forming or being invited to join a government are committed to neo-liberal capitalism and are not offering to re-nationalise anything as far as I'm aware, despite a clear majority of the population being in favour of such a policy. No wonder we see voter apathy.
Just seems an excuse to me, we can blame Westminster, Working class, poverty, or the media. We are the ones who are switched on. We are the ones who need to sort this mess out. We need to stop protesting at the fringes and make our voices heard through the political system.
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Why are the "facists" filling the gap? Why do people disengage with politics?
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
magneze
🎧
True - we got one leaflet from an Independent. How the others hoped to get their message across is beyond me...
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
The only leaflet I got through my door was from the Christian lot!
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