NHS GPs are greedy overpaid pigs

[Kaka Tim]

Im not sticking up for doctors.

I just think that if you are identifying the spongers, parasites and free booters sucking money out of the NHS ( and sundry other public services) then GPs would be well down the list.

For this to come from a (paid?) lackey for Nu labour - the party of cronyism, corruption and carpet bagging - stinks of spin. As does your crocodile concern for the low pay of nurses. (Im an ex-nurse as it happens).

And if your looking for lefty radicals who jettison their principles - well check out the numbers of ex-socialist snouts greedily snorting in the Nu-Labour trough.

Give it up Fullyplumped. We can smell your bullshit a mile off

 

[Streathamite]

How does any of what you've said address the issue of increased NHS investment being hijacked by greedy GPs? Were you like this at Branch meetings?

you mean, always with a keen antenna for hypocrisy? yup.

 

[Streathamite]

Look at the huge demand for med school places. Nearly seven out of eight qualified applicants are rejected. There would be no shortage of eager applicants.

and most of 'em, I'll bet, middle-class applicants, and/or those from a sufficiently affluent background to rely on a large degree of parental subsidy to get 'em through the course.
I'm sure I remember the Labour Party as having something to do with the advancement and liberation of the working classes....

 

[FruitandNut]

It was the doctors who delayed the Welfare State by about 3yrs. while they haggled their pay and conditions. Their professional associations had the government by the balls then and it appears as though things haven't changed much since.

 

[TAE]

It's time to say it - our GPs are shameless, money-grubbing, overpaid chancers who are bleeding the NHS dry . Their pay has soared from £70,000 pa to £130,000 pa in three years, and in the same time the demands on their time have decreased. Most of them got their education and professional training on the backs of the taxpayer, at a time when they didn't have to bother with tuition fees. All this money has eaten up the extra resources the Government has poured into the NHS.

What can we do about this?

New Labour's way of doing P.R. makes me sick.

 

[Fullyplumped]

New Labour's way of doing P.R. makes me sick.

Not completely clear what you mean. Are you suggesting that my posting on this forum is an incredibly subtle and Machiavellian form of spin doctoring? Some kind of spooky mind control, paid for (as another poster suggested) to influence the twenty or so mostly hostile people who read these messages?

 

[Fullyplumped]

For this to come from a (paid?) lackey for Nu labour - the party of cronyism, corruption and carpet bagging - stinks of spin. As does your crocodile concern for the low pay of nurses. (Im an ex-nurse as it happens). Give it up Fullyplumped. We can smell your bullshit a mile off

Don't be such a balloon.

 

[Fullyplumped]

and most of 'em, I'll bet, middle-class applicants, and/or those from a sufficiently affluent background to rely on a large degree of parental subsidy to get 'em through the course.
I'm sure I remember the Labour Party as having something to do with the advancement and liberation of the working classes....

Bloody middle class medical students!

What are you arguing for here?

 

[Callie]

Look at the huge demand for med school places. Nearly seven out of eight qualified applicants are rejected. There would be no shortage of eager applicants.

eager applicants for gp posts? how do you know they are going for gp posts?

 

[Fullyplumped]

eager applicants for gp posts? how do you know they are going for gp posts?

No, Callie. Eager for places in medical school. Was there some ambiguity in my post?

 

[Fullyplumped]

you mean, always with a keen antenna for hypocrisy? yup.

I can imagine the Branch Secretary writing to new members to come to Branch meetings....

"...you're always assured of a warm welcome, a lively social scene, and plenty of discussion and debate. And of course there's Red Jezza, always with a keen antenna for hypocrisy. Our own little Felix Dzerzhinsky, as we often joke, nervously in the pub afterwards."

 

[Callie]

No, Callie. Eager for places in medical school. Was there some ambiguity in my post?

Yeah sorry that was me being crap and posting without thinking What I meant was those millions of people who are applying to go to medical school don't necessarily want to be GPs do they? how are you going to convince them to be GPs?

 

[Fullyplumped]

...those millions of people who are applying to go to medical school don't necessarily want to be GPs do they? how are you going to convince them to be GPs?

Ah, well - that's where my cunning plan kicks in. The medical profession will be so swamped with doctors all vying for jobs that they'll jump at the chance for jobs as GPs. They will all be on 35-hour contracts, averagely paid, but they'll be glad for the work. Maybe they'll all join Unison!

Like I said, harsh but fair...

 

[siarc]

that figure quoted is assumedly the average success rate at any given medical school, google says 2 out 3 applicants get places overall since they apply to more than one university

 

[Callie]

So if you go to medical school at the end they all have the same qualification/training and can just swap and pick what actual job they do?

I was under the impression that the majority of medical students, training to be doctors were training to be hospital type doctors. The training for which is different to that of a GP? Is that wrong?

 

[Fullyplumped]

that figure quoted is assumedly the average success rate at any given medical school, google says 2 out 3 applicants get places overall since they apply to more than one university

I'd be interested in seeing those links, because Google says something different for me, and I posted sources earlier.

But anyway the entry qualifications are ridiculously high - I think Glasgow Uni now needs AAAAB for highers in one sitting, for example, and I'm pretty sure things were a lot easier when I left school in the 70s, while new doctors aren't appreciably better than those in their 40s.

Added - the BMA links to this 46554 applications, 6959 acceptances, a ratio of 6.7 to one.

 

[Callie]

while new doctors aren't appreciably better than those in their 40s.

heh experience counts for nothing then eh? you are funny

 

[ViolentPanda]

It must be some of that sophistimacated London talk, maybe from Hoxton or somewhere trendy like that.

Hardly.

I wouldn't venture north of the river on a bet, let alone to be "trendy".

I'll leave that to your fellow-Blairites, with their rather touching need to feel "with it" and up-to-date.

Oh, and the faux naivety really doesn't suit you.

 

[Fullyplumped]

So if you go to medical school at the end they all have the same qualification/training and can just swap and pick what actual job they do? I was under the impression that the majority of medical students, training to be doctors were training to be hospital type doctors. The training for which is different to that of a GP? Is that wrong?

I don't know. I'm not pretending to be an expert on the medical profession - all I'm trying to do is to illustrate my contention that NHS GPs Are Greedy Pigs.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Hardly.I wouldn't venture north of the river on a bet, let alone to be "trendy". I'll leave that to your fellow-Blairites, with their rather touching need to feel "with it" and up-to-date. Oh, and the faux naivety really doesn't suit you.

I'm not faux naive, I'm Scottish.

 

[Callie]

I don't know. I'm not pretending to be an expert on the medical profession* - all I'm trying to do is to illustrate my contention that NHS GPs Are Greedy Pigs.

Well talking nonsense doesnt help to illustrate your point. Please desist

*im glad you admit it

 

[Fullyplumped]

heh experience counts for nothing then eh? you are funny

I think it does, and probably doctors in their 40s are better than the younger ones. Right enough, I remember what medical students were like in the 70s - drunken oafs the lot of them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm not faux naive, I'm Scottish.

The two are mutually exclusive?

 

[Callie]

I think it does, and probably doctors in their 40s are better than the younger ones. Right enough, I remember what medical students were like in the 70s - drunken oafs the lot of them.

I think you'll find that all students, probably throughout the ages.


Aren't you at all concerned that somewhere along the way someone has to have agreed to let these greedy GPs have all this money? are you really more angry at the GPs for taking it than at whoever offered it to them?

 

[Fullyplumped]

The two are mutually exclusive?

We would like to think so, though of course as soon as any of us go to London we tend to deteriorate. Look what happened to G Galloway, Esq.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Well talking nonsense doesnt help to illustrate your point. Please desist *im glad you admit it

How is not pretending to be an expert the same as talking nonsense? As I understand it the first degree is the MB ChB and people specialise and develop their career from that point. Oh, read it for yourself. And don't be so rude.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Aren't you at all concerned that somewhere along the way someone has to have agreed to let these greedy GPs have all this money? are you really more angry at the GPs for taking it than at whoever offered it to them?

Yes but I'd rather pick on the GPs, the greedy pigs that they are.

 

[Callie]

How is not pretending to be an expert the same as talking nonsense? As I understand it the first degree is the MB ChB and people specialise and develop their career from that point. Oh, read it for yourself. And don't be so rude.

easy tiger Ill be as rude as I like, thank you very much. The nonsense was you banging on about tempting millions of medical students to become GPs which was pure fantasy and based on nothing. If your plan were to work why arent a large proportion of the current medical students becoming GPs?

 

[Fullyplumped]

easy tiger Ill be as rude as I like, thank you very much. The nonsense was you banging on about tempting millions of medical students to become GPs which was pure fantasy and based on nothing. If your plan were to work why arent a large proportion of the current medical students becoming GPs?

Well of course it's a fantasy. I think it would be a Very Good Thing if they quintupled admisions to med school but it isn't going to happen until I take power as Fullyplumped the First (Oh Happy Day). I suspect an awful lot more doctors will want to become GPs now at £130k pa.

 

[citydreams]

isn't this something that needs to be seen in the broader picture. The debate about what these figures really represent (net, gross etc) notwithstanding, surely the whole culture of people getting paid this much is at fault, not specifically GPs. When you've got all manner of people - state and private - earning huge salaries, GPs don't seem so outrageous in that context.

Not when there's mud to be thrown it seems.

I think we can all agree that our masters (this govt) has sold us up the river without a paddle. There's no need to pick on the servants.

fwiw, I would imagine that the high entry levles to becoming a doctor is less to do with the lack of funding for medical colleges but because of the high failiure rate of previous students.