Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by Dooby, Jul 21, 2010.
can see where dic is coming from tbh
still like the vid mind
What happens in your private life is no concern of this forum!
humour as well as factoids now!
you are indeed spoiling us
I read it as a lyrical and video parody, not a municipal credibility test.
Well it's not intended to be bitchy. It's a valid point, I think. Dic believes in No Borders but gets upset when people mention Cardiff and Llanfair PG in a song that's meant to be about Newport. Feck knows what he'll be like when Newport actually gets swallowed up by the CAPITAL CITY and becomes... Cardiff East. And as someone has already mentioned the target of this video is Jay-Z's grandiose hymn to NY not Newport.
Bit of a shallow critique there Brockway. The fact I oppose immigration controls has fuck all to do with the fact I celebrate and defend Newport's unique cultural identity.
I get the same shit when I support Wales at rugby. This muddling of important political issues (that are quite literally a matter of life and death) with cultural interests is both silly and tiresome.
I can see that the video is less funny if you're from there and the lyrics have glaring inaccuracies. I'm sure they would sully my enjoyment of a song about my home town. Although I'm not sure they were trying to make us believe all famous Welsh people are from Newport or anything.
But they just had an idea for a parody of the Jayzee song that they thought might be fun to do* and they did it and people liked it.
*maybe they also wanted publicity but whatever. I get the impression they found it fun.
Culture is, ahem, politics. Not just cos I work in it, but because it is an expression of how we imagine our relationship (or lack of) to the people & society around us. Your antagonism to the video makers seems to be based on them being "outsiders" - if you can't see the overlap/conflict with NB concerns, then I'm surprised!
I have to say I go with Brockway's shallow critique - I think you're being oversensitive about something that doesn't strike me, as a reasonably well-informed, locally-based "outsider", as something that is particularly aiming to rip the piss out of Newport and make it look shit. FFS, you could do a hundred times worse with my home town! Straight off it struck me as affectionate, although I did suspect some of the references were wide of the mark. But that suggests rather that it is aimed at an outside audience who therefore will know nothing of Newport and therefore will not be in a position to take it as a laser-sighted critique of your fair town.
And frankly, the whole thing seems designed more with the idea of being able to rip the piss out of Jay-Z - I mean, how many towns in UK rhyme with New York? They saw their moment and grabbed it. You ought to roll with the humour brah.
It's an affectionate piss take of the parochial nature of provincial Britain.
It resonates in the same way as Peter Kay.
Calling Newport, Cardiff east, would give it a respectibility that it doesn't deserve. The port is like the bastard offspring of Cardiff and Bristol. It doesn't really know if it wants to be Welsh or English and gets stuck in some sort of wierd identity crisis.
The video or Dic Penderyn post . . .
To be fair, who gives a fuck about Newport. It shares the first syllable of its name with somewhere else hence it's the setting for the vid. Nothing more.
Oversensitive bollocks. I'm not that bothered. I've just pointed out why I thought the GLC should start a beef. It would be the proper hip hop thing to do. I don't think these people set out to have a go at Newport at all. I just don't think what they did was very clever.
I am bothered by this idea that my opinions on immigration and my cultural interests are contradictory though. The concept is fucking retarded.
NEWPORT! NEWPORT! NEWPORT!
Some of it was a bit vaguely welsh, as opposed to Newport specific, but I thought it was fantastic, really funny, warm, clever. The female singer had a great voice.
Jeez it's only a joke
Post of the fucking month.
I'll be giggling about this all day. Cheers, Dic.
...and meanwhile, back in the real world, it's nice to know Newport folk aren't po-faced...
The makers have been invited to perform at the opening of the Transporter Bridge:
And play they did...
I'll take it, Dic, that the big cheer is how Newport people show how they are
"The bridge was built during the industrial revolution!" Er, no. It was built in 1906.
Industrial revolution came late to the BBC.
I saw this featured on the S4C news. They even found 3 Welsh-speaking locals to share the joy. One of them was speaking Welsh with a proper "rewnd and rewnd the rewndabout in Newport" accent. Impressive.
Clearly people having been appropriating Newport's culture for decades. If you watch the beginning of the movie, Tiger Bay, the hero rides across the transporter bridge to magically arrive in Butetown. The transporter bridge also features in Jane Arden's weird and wonderful, LSD fuelled, film, The Other Side of the Underneath.
tbh, I wish they'd made it about Newquay now.
The anarchist fella Dic Penderyn has it about right methinks.
Such a lame attempt at a pisstake that most Welsh people dont seem to have cottoned-on that this is anothing less than a slur. The only reason it cannot be taken as an ethnic slur is that its knowledge is so piss-weak. Thumbs down.
Here's a version about n. Wales -
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