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:confused: I saw the thread title and thought 'which road are they going to build it under' :confused:

Then I realised its that rotten sandwich place that is spreading like fungus spores across the land. I went in one once and it confused the hell out of me. "Can you put some gerkins in, please?" "No, sorry, you'll have to ask her stood next to me". I understand demarkation in jobs but that's foolish.

The biggest mystery was why I was left so hungry after eating a foot long roll.
 
Orang Utan said:
Pret sell rank food dressed up as quality gourmet fare. I buy sarnies from Joes on Horseferry Road it's independent, cheap, generous with fillings and they make the tastiest sandwiches in London.

Oh come on! You may not like them, but it's rather ludicrous to claim that Pret have "rank food" in their snadwiches.

Dub:
giving a fuck about what you eat isn't snobbery.
Dub:
[a] sandwich from a local café with decent ingredients


What? so Joes/Pheonix/etc source all there stuff from a bloody farmer's market do they?
Ask them exactly where their wholeseller gets it from next time you're in there.
 
Pie 1 said:
Oh come on! You may not like them, but it's rather ludicrous to claim that Pret have "rank food" in their snadwiches.
I can only use my own judgement and that is what it tells me!
 
Pie 1 said:
What? so Joes/Pheonix/etc source all there stuff from a bloody farmer's market do they?
Why don't you ask them exactly where their wholeseller gets it from next time you're in there.

i'm not saying that, but at least if i buy a cheese sandwich, i see the cheese being cut and put in the bread, which is bread.

like i said, i don't LOATHE Subway - a bit of processed crap is nice every now and the.
 
The quality of the bread and the meat in the Phoenix is very high and IIRC, neither come via wholesalers but direct from the supplier.
 
IntoStella said:
The quality of the bread and the meat in the Phoenix is very high and IIRC, neither come via wholesalers but direct from the supplier.

I'm not doubting it, I know from many a yummy bacon sarnie ;) .
My point is that Pret's bread/meat/cheese is no worse either AFAIC.
Both probably stick to a well run middle ground.
 
Personally, I really dislike pret's sandwich bread. The bloomer bread and baguettes are ok but the standard stuff is shite. I'm not overly keen on their fillings, either. It's not a right-on thing. I just don't like them.
 
I try and avoid Pret too, although must confess to enjoying a very tasty Ham and Greve from there yesterday as i was in a rush. It irks me that they have to tell you what you're buying as well as how much money you've given them. I already have that information.

Anyone been to the Carribbean take away near the top of Dulwich road? Will it serve as a good replacement for Judy's Divine now I've moved??
 
top_biller said:
Anyone been to the Carribbean take away near the top of Dulwich road? Will it serve as a good replacement for Judy's Divine now I've moved??

Which one do you mean? The juice bar (with the misspelled 'carribean') is pretty decent. And there's one nearby, by the Oirish pub, which does some great curry chicken dumplings - a nice alternative to roti..

And there are a few more around there IIRC, including the roti shop itself...
 
tarannau said:
Which one do you mean? The juice bar (with the misspelled 'carribean') is pretty decent. And there's one nearby, by the Oirish pub, which does some great curry chicken dumplings - a nice alternative to roti..

And there are a few more around there IIRC, including the roti shop itself...

Yep, the one next to the Irish pub. Although you've reminded me that the Roti shop has been recommended as well. Spoilt for choice really.
 
Smells

While a Subway might not be the best option - the site it's on has pretty much become a toilet for the last couple of years.....it seems unlikely that the smells from Subway could be worse than the ones currently there....
 
lang rabbie said:
AFAIK Subway don't have any fryers or grills for hot food- which makes getting planning permission so much easier as they are within planning use class A1 "shops" - which includes " the sale of sandwiches or other cold food for consumption off the premises", as against A5 "hot food takeaways".

From page one, becaue I don't have time to read this all properly now, but Subway have since early November been even more my SWORN ENEMY than before.

Because they took over the former Famous Walworth Road Cafe (SE17's best and most well known greasy spoon) after the owners retired 27 years on from opening it (or after taking it over??), and turned it into a horrible McShop.

People could have kept it as a cafe without any special planning permission!!! :mad:

No doubt cafe to 'shop' of the Subway kind requires no change of use application ...
 
William of Walworth said:
From page one, becaue I don't have time to read this all properly now, but Subway have since early November been even more my SWORN ENEMY than before.

Because they took over the former Famous Walworth Road Cafe (SE17's best and most well known greasy spoon) after the owners retired 27 years on from opening it (or after taking it over??), and turned it into a horrible McShop.

People could have kept it as a cafe without any special planning permission!!! :mad:

No doubt cafe to 'shop' of the Subway kind requires no change of use application ...

Who are these "people"? Was there actually anybody besides Subway in line to take it over?
 
And Subway hardly bullied the owners of the Walworth Road caff out of the place, did they?

I remember reading a few articles about the caff closing in the South London press and I thought the place was closing because the owners had been working in the place for over 20yrs, and wanted to retire, and that as their kids didn't want to take over the place, so decided to shut up shop rather than let someone else trade under the "Famous Walworth Road Cafe" brand.

Nothing to do with *gasp* the evil march of globalisation then!
 
Subways are excellent ıf you ask me. The trıck ıs to have the low-fat ones, they,re actually %very% healthy. In the US they had an ad campaıgn featurıng a guy whod lost 30 stone by only eatıng subway. he was referenced on the Sımpsons as ,the guy who used to be fat but ıs now just ugly.,
 
phildwyer said:
Subways are excellent ıf you ask me. The trıck ıs to have the low-fat ones, they,re actually %very% healthy. In the US they had an ad campaıgn featurıng a guy whod lost 30 stone by only eatıng subway. he was referenced on the Sımpsons as ,the guy who used to be fat but ıs now just ugly.,

As the small print on every page of Subway's corporate website relating to Jared Fogle's diet notes:

*Individuals lost weight by exercising and eating a balanced, reduced-calorie diet that included SUBWAY® sandwiches with 6 grams of fat or less. Their results are not typical. Your loss, if any, will vary. The SUBWAY® chain does not endorse the diet Jared created and cautions anyone embarking on a weight-loss plan to consult their physician.
 
Mr Retro said:
Who are these "people"? Was there actually anybody besides Subway in line to take it over?

Sorry that was misleading. No there weren't, as far as I know, any other potential new managers/owners.

I don't know who the landlords were/are, but I suspect that Subway made them a higher-rent-than-anyone-else-could-possibly-afford offer that they couldn't refuse. If there WERE any other potential 'people', I suspect they'd have been squeezed out and never got a look in.

You approve of that?
 
pootle said:
And Subway hardly bullied the owners of the Walworth Road caff out of the place, did they?

I didn't suggest that they did.

I remember reading a few articles about the caff closing in the South London press and I thought the place was closing because the owners had been working in the place for over 20yrs, and wanted to retire, and that as their kids didn't want to take over the place, so decided to shut up shop rather than let someone else trade under the "Famous Walworth Road Cafe" brand.

Nothing to do with *gasp* the evil march of globalisation then!

I disagree.

Were the previous people the actual owners then? I haven't read the SLP articles, I don't always get it.

Look, I'm not knocking the previous runners of the Cafe , if they were the owners. I can't begrudge them a nice retirement after doing a sound job for so long.

But it very much IS to do with the march of globalisation, that there's so much of a discrepancy between the level of purchase price a megachain 'brand' can afford, and what anyone else (independent/local, etc.) can afford.

As for the previous people not wanting anyone else to trade under the Famous Walworth Road Cafe name, are you sure that was the case? There's no logical reason, given that they're retiring anyway, why they'd object. And even if they had good reasons for objecting to others using the old name, under a state of affairs where others as well as dominant megachains could afford to buy, there'd be scope for a cafe reopening under a new/different name.

Why are there so many people condoning and making excuses for a well loved local traditional cafe being steamrollered by a Yank mega chain 'brand'? Even if the takeover was with the collaboration of the previous people??

See my 'offer they couldn't refuse' comment above -- this market distortion is a GOOD thing?? That there's no room for places like this being run independently and locally?? People approve of this?? :mad:

And don't give me any shit about franchise managers being local and independent -- it's not the same. :mad:
 
130 + results when I type my postcode into their store finder! I just walked past 5 of the places in the space of 20 minutes.
 
William of Walworth said:
I don't know who the landlords were/are, but I suspect that Subway made them a higher-rent-than-anyone-else-could-possibly-afford offer that they couldn't refuse. If there WERE any other potential 'people', I suspect they'd have been squeezed out and never got a look in.

The property was actually on the market - £22,500pa sounds a pretty steep asking rent for that part of the world.

http://www.hhp-property.co.uk/downloads/details/198.pdf
 
William of Walworth said:
I didn't suggest that they did.

Not explicitly, but you've got to admit you're post has a air to suggest that if it wasn't for Subway then the caff would still be there, especially this

WoW said:
Because they took over the former Famous Walworth Road Cafe (SE17's best and most well known greasy spoon) after the owners retired 27 years on from opening it (or after taking it over??), and turned it into a horrible McShop.

But anyway, I don't know enough about who owned it or put in offer etc etc so I suppose you are right about the homogenisation of high streets and globalisation and stuff, but the point I was trying to make was that it seems that the Walworth Road caff left because THEY wanted to...the replacement, well, we just don't know if anyone else wanted the place, do we?

Anyhoo, here's a link to a story about it.

http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=15796362%26method=full%26siteid=50100-name_page.html
 
William of Walworth said:
Sorry that was misleading. No there weren't, as far as I know, any other potential new managers/owners.

I don't know who the landlords were/are, but I suspect that Subway made them a higher-rent-than-anyone-else-could-possibly-afford offer that they couldn't refuse. If there WERE any other potential 'people', I suspect they'd have been squeezed out and never got a look in.

You approve of that?

No I was just wondering if there WERE peeps squeezed out.

In this particular case I don't particularly blame the owners taking a good offer for their retirement, even if there was somebody to take over the caff but for less rent. Would you?
 
Mr Retro : please read my longer post above, in which I explicitly said that I don't blame them for wanting a nice retirement after working so well for so long.

My objection is to the state of a fucked up market where only a megachain can afford to offer a generous asking price, thereby squeezing possible independent successors out.
 
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