New Research on Social Housing and Migration

[tbaldwin]

a typically daft comment from an exceptionally daft man.

its funny how, when it is pointed out how migrants get the shittiest housing conditions, and virtually no social housing allocation, balders switches his normal argument to how the beastly incomers take all the buy-to-rent housing - a scheme (buy-to-rent) that he has lambasted in the past, iirr. Of course, he offers absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this is the case, but evidence has never been baldies strong point. If it wasn't buy-to-rent he would be complaining that migrants were getting all the best camping places, depriving the poor indigenous peoples of their right to tents! Why he doesn't just stand at the channel with a great big sign saying 'foreigners, fuck off!' I don't know, because that is all his verbiage amounts to.

At least untethered is honest about being a bigot.

Lies damned lies and no statistics eh.

 

[tbaldwin]

Right, so it a council flat that your mate is (almost certainly unofficially) subletting off the original council tenant. If this is legal then the original tenant shouldn't be profiteering from this arrangement.

Or is an ex-council flat, sold under the RTB scheme, in which case its not really a council flat at all. And in which case it's absolutely irrelevant which nationality moves in - they're not taking up social housing stock as it's already been transferred to the private sector.

MC5s opening post mentions hyperbole about migrants taking housing...My opening post talked about them taking buy to let flats.
What point are you trying to make?

 

[tarannau]

Well it's very unlikely that they're exercising RTB, seeing as they were hugely unlikely that they were eligible for housing in the first place. Seeing as all Eastern Europeans only occupy 1% of council housing stock now, after busy period of migration recently, then we're talking less than 1% in the past.

Why are you so determined to blame the Poles and other for declining housing stock when the figures don't add up. Wouldn't you say that those exercising their right to buy in the first place, perhaps subsequently selling their house onto Eastern Europeans, are far more culpable?

Either way and your claim that 'a lot of Poles etc are in council housing in London paying over the top rents to private landlords' has been exposed as another massive lie and inaccuracy, hasn't it?

 

[_angel_]

As a council tenant I can say that there seem to be very very few non white and/ or foreigners anywhere I've lived.

 

[tbaldwin]

Well it's very unlikely that they're exercising RTB, seeing as they were hugely unlikely that they were eligible for housing in the first place. Seeing as all Eastern Europeans only occupy 1% of council housing stock now, after busy period of migration recently, then we're talking less than 1% in the past.

Why are you so determined to blame the Poles and other for declining housing stock when the figures don't add up. Wouldn't you say that those exercising their right to buy in the first place, perhaps subsequently selling their house onto Eastern Europeans, are far more culpable?

Either way and your claim that 'a lot of Poles etc are in council housing in London paying over the top rents to private landlords' has been exposed as another massive lie and inaccuracy, hasn't it?

1 What point are you trying to make there?

2 I am not blaming the Poles for anything. I just think that people who try to say that increased demand from poles from housing is having little effect are lying.

3 How exactly?

 

[audiotech]

2 I am not blaming the Poles for anything. I just think that people who try to say that increased demand from poles from housing is having little effect are lying.

So, that's the sum total of your argument is it, that the writer of this report is a liar?

 

[belboid]

Lies damned lies and no statistics eh.

that is exactly what all your comments are, yes. A rare example of insight into yourself balders.

Why not continue this rare example and admit that you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims? That you are, in fact, simply repeating right-wing rubbish, much of which has been shown to be false.

 

[belboid]

1 What point are you trying to make there?

the point is clear to everyone but you - that you are making things up to jsutify an unjustified position.

I went to the launch of the T&G Migrant Workers Network last week (something you should oppose, if you have any consistency whatsoever), where I heard about those workers who have to sleep on towels on the floor. I suppose you want to complain about them denying good ol' Englishmen their absorbent cloth.

 

[nino_savatte]

I agree i am special.

Aye, special needs.

 

[Grandma Death]

Do you live o
n an estate (or near one) have you not noticed any poles,moving in?

Anectodal I know but i've worked in social housing for nearly three years and for 34 years grown up on a council estate. I've not noticed this.

 

[marty21]

Anectodal I know but i've worked in social housing for nearly three years and for 34 years grown up on a council estate. I've not noticed this.

same here, i've worked in social housing for 12 years, haven't noticed loads of polish people moving into the flats we manage, or any other of the half a dozen or so social housing organisations i have worked for, and all of those years have been in london

 

[bluestreak]

Ditto.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Personally I think that the majority of migrants who are living in areas where there is a lot of public housing are living in houses that have been sold to previous tenants under RTB and who are now letting the houses out to migrants while simultaniously moaning about all the foreigners.

 

[bluestreak]

So far this thread has been very enlightening. It shows that the anti-immigration rattlers have no evidence to back up their claims and no understanding of how social provision works.

I think we can safely chalk up a victory here.

 

[nino_savatte]

same here, i've worked in social housing for 12 years, haven't noticed loads of polish people moving into the flats we manage, or any other of the half a dozen or so social housing organisations i have worked for, and all of those years have been in london

Yup, I concur also.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What about my mate in a council flat, paying a private landlord?

You weren't talking about this mythical mate of yours though, were you?
Oh, and if he actually exists outside of your imagination and he's sub-letting social housing from a tenant then he's a cunt of the first order.

Do you live o
n an estate (or near one) have you not noticed any poles,moving in?

I live on a council estate (as I've done for most of my life) and no, I haven't noticed Poles moving in, not even into the flats and houses I know are ex rtb, or are sub-letted.

I also don't know anyone else who lives on an estate who's seen loads of Poles or other eastern Europeans moving in.

That's probably because they tend to go for private-rented accommodation, where there's far more slackness about enforcing maximum occupancy rules.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So far this thread has been very enlightening. It shows that the anti-immigration rattlers have no evidence to back up their claims and no understanding of how social provision works.

I think we can safely chalk up a victory here.

Bluey, we almost always chalk up a victory.

Not that it stops the "anti-immigration rattlers" from trotting out their tired, nay exhausted arguments with metronomic frequency.

 

[marty21]

That's probably because they tend to go for private-rented accommodation, where there's far more slackness about enforcing maximum occupancy rules.

they are the new kiwi/aussies/south africans - piling up to 20 into 4 bed houses and that

 

[ViolentPanda]

they are the new kiwi/aussies/south africans - piling up to 20 into 4 bed houses and that

Yup, and putting money in the pockets of the same class of scrotes that the anzacs and saffers did.