New Neighbour - Should I Say Anything

[AnnO'Neemus]

Agreed.

However, do bear in mind that with the amount of bike thefts/damage to bikes parked on a public road these days, he may have good reason to be concerned about its security.

And that's the OP's problem... how/why?

Having been in a similar position myself from time to time, I'd certainly prefer the person affected to approach me in person & maybe try to negotiate an alternative, rather than stick a shitty note on the bike, or worse-still try to move it themselves.

Maybe try & do it soon as well, for all we know he may be thinking on putting-in a ground anchor to chain it to.

Again, not the OP's problem.

Absolutely nothing to negotiate.

Bike owner has no legal right to park there. OP states that in fact it's not even up to his discretion, as his tenancy agreement forbids parking there.

And as a bike owner, it's wrong of you to get all aggrieved if someone leaves a "shitty note", when you're the one in the wrong for illegal parking in the first place! Simple solution, if you don't want a shitty note, don't park on someone else's property!

 

[oddworld]

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[geminisnake]

And as a bike owner, it's wrong of you to get all aggrieved if someone leaves a "shitty note", when you're the one in the wrong for illegal parking in the first place!

Aye, coz every illegal parking spot is clearly marked eh? The guy very probably doesn't realise the bit is Odds's 'property' and other people with bikes don't always know a piece of pavement or road is private property. Often you can't get parked in bike only spaces coz twats with cars have already parked there.

I don't understand why folk get so uptight about things before at least trying to sort them out nicely.

 

[oddworld]

Aye, coz every illegal parking spot is clearly marked eh? The guy very probably doesn't realise the bit is Odds's 'property' and other people with bikes don't always know a piece of pavement or road is private property. Often you can't get parked in bike only spaces coz twats with cars have already parked there.

He could have knocked and asked though couldnt he?, he has to come through a locked gate and then his bike is right outside my window.

I've phoned my letting shop and the guy is a friend of the landlord , they told me to go round and ask him not to park there and park on the gravel but I cant see him wanting to do that.

I will have a chat to him when I see him , preferably not while I'm hungover though.

 

[geminisnake]

He could have knocked and asked though couldnt he?,

Totally but maybe he's shy, maybe he thinks he can get away with stuff. I dunno, you won't find out til you go speak to him

And you never know he might offer to take you for a spin

PS Bikes and gravel don't really mix.

 

[Gromit]

...he has to come through a locked gate...

My god it gets worse. He really is taking the piss entering someone else's closed off area and dumping his property there without asking permission first.

 

[pogofish]

And that's the OP's problem... how/why?

Again, not the OP's problem.

Absolutely nothing to negotiate.

Bike owner has no legal right to park there. OP states that in fact it's not even up to his discretion, as his tenancy agreement forbids parking there.

All I was suggesting was a few reasons why he may have chosen to park his bike there & OP should at least try to open some civil communication first & sort this out amicably.

And as a bike owner, it's wrong of you to get all aggrieved if someone leaves a "shitty note", when you're the one in the wrong for illegal parking in the first place! Simple solution, if you don't want a shitty note, don't park on someone else's property!

Even where that property is the designated parking space for the whole block?

BTW, I've tried my very best to find the least intrusive but safest possible place to park my bike wherever but have occasionally run into prejudice-ridden, bike-hating twats like you who think the very sight of a bike is going to screw their property values or be a preliminary to the local chapter of whatever patch-club taking-up residence! There is no pleasing them at all & funnilly enough, they usually love their shitty little notes & "know the legalities" even where they are utterly in the wrong.

As I said, talk. If the guy's a cunt & refuses to listen/act, the OP will soon know it & know how to proceed.

 

[pogofish]

PS Bikes and gravel don't really mix.

He can easilly get a bit of slab/plank or something to put the stand on. Been there, not that much of a problem.

 

[pogofish]

He could have knocked and asked though couldnt he?, he has to come through a locked gate and then his bike is right outside my window.

Fully agree.

He may also be trying it on because in some areas, off-road/secure parking can make a very big difference to insurance premimums, compared to on-road.

Also, IME friends of landlords tend to be a bit lax with the paperwork, he may not even have a tennancy agreement or might still have to read it/sign. Another good reason to get on speaking terms & get him to clarify matters himself.

 

[longdog]

My god it gets worse. He really is taking the piss entering someone else's closed off area and dumping his property there without asking permission first.

I don't get it

How does he get through a locked gate? Does he have magic powers?

Call me a simple minded old fool but why not just keep the gate locked so he can't get the bike in?

Not rocket science is it?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Aye, coz every illegal parking spot is clearly marked eh? The guy very probably doesn't realise the bit is Odds's 'property' and other people with bikes don't always know a piece of pavement or road is private property. Often you can't get parked in bike only spaces coz twats with cars have already parked there.

I don't understand why folk get so uptight about things before at least trying to sort them out nicely.

Aye, coz every property dweller is supposed to know how a random illegally parking bike owner is going to react to having them knock on their door and tell them not to park on their property!

And okay, so if a car owner illegally parks in a bike space, that makes it okay for a bike owner to then illegally park elsewhere? Didn't your mum ever give you that two wrongs don't make a right spiel when you were a kid?

Surely, leaving a polite note on a bike is an attempt to sort things out nicely? Leaving an abusive note would be out of order, but I don't see what's wrong with leaving a polite note on the bike explaining that parking isn't allowed according to the terms of the tenancy agreement and asking the bike owner to refrain from parking there?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

...Even where that property is the designated parking space for the whole block?

But that is not the case here, is it?

...BTW, I've tried my very best to find the least intrusive but safest possible place to park my bike wherever but have occasionally run into prejudice-ridden, bike-hating twats like you who think the very sight of a bike is going to screw their property values or be a preliminary to the local chapter of whatever patch-club taking-up residence! There is no pleasing them at all & funnilly enough, they usually love their shitty little notes & "know the legalities" even where they are utterly in the wrong.

Really? You have no idea. I'm not a prejudice-ridden, bike-hating twat. If you could see some of the kind of "eye-sore" vehicles that my neighbours own and park outside my flat and in my street, which I stick up for, you might have some idea about how very wrong you are.

Maybe the objections aren't about property values? Maybe they're aren't about a fear of a local chapter of hell's angels taking up residence? Maybe you're just too blinkered and too used to making negative assumptions about people to care.

But maybe I am somewhat averse to arrogant tossers who think it is their 'right' to do as they wish, even if it's not legal, and then whip themselves up into an aggressive frenzy against other people who have the temerity to object, calling them prejudice-ridden, hating twats?

Maybe it's not the bike that's the problem, but the arrogance of some of the owners. A bit like when you get aggressive dangerous dogs that are not the problem, it's usually their tosser owners who are the problem.

Maybe it's more about objecting to lack of courtesy, and inconvenience, and concern about a tenant being prevented from using their own space for their own purposes, because someone who shouldn't be there is parking illegally in a space that isn't theirs, to which they don't even have any legal right of access?

 

[geminisnake]

Surely, leaving a polite note on a bike is an attempt to sort things out nicely? Leaving an abusive note would be out of order

I just think that personal is generally a bit nicer iykwim. It's kinda hard to securely attach a note to a bike and if odds did damage it accidentally that isn't going to make the guy be in the best of moods is it? Even if he is inadvertently in the wrong

 

[pogofish]

AneO - You have demonstrated just the sort of aggressive & arrogant attitudes & fuckwitted assumptions I've been on the wrong end of all to often where I'm fully entitled to or even on a public road itself. So I guess you have displayed your petty little level of of arrogance/prejudice/nimbyism. After all, where have I actually defended his action?

Also, you do tend to get used to parking illegally on a bike. The vagueness of parking regulations these days means that often you are parking where strictly, you should not, even on the public road, where almost any other vehicle can park with impunity.

So very often, you do have to rely on the goodwill of various property owners/authorities/police & even traffic wardens in order to get parked. So, you ought to see that a great deal riders are quite used to:

A: Tucking their bikes away where they think nobody will bother.

B: Moving-on/somewhere else when someone asks them to or going where directed - It's no big thing, really.

In fact, I can pretty confidently say that I've had less bother parking or getting permission/directed to a place, to park where maybe I strictly should not be than where I should.

Equally, we have no idea of his side of the situation yet. After all, discrepancies in tennancy agreements are far from unknown so he may be under the impression he can park there & needs to be brought up to date?

Either way, going-in with your blind & domineering instance on "legal rights" is just the sort of thing that will pointlessly inflame what will probably turn-out to be a pretty trivial thing. Keep it behind your twitching curtains please.

 

[lynne8]

Haven't read thow whole thread, but he could have asked first. Sorry if it's already been said.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Well, I'd be pretty peeved if someone opened my gate, wheeled a bike into my garden and left it there without even the common courtesy of asking first. Whatever the situation for bikers regarding safe parking spaces, it shows a distinct lack of manners, and I'd regard it as boorish, selfish & arrogant.

 

[longdog]

Well, I'd be pretty peeved if someone opened my gate, wheeled a bike into my garden and left it there without even the common courtesy of asking first. Whatever the situation for bikers regarding safe parking spaces, it shows a distinct lack of manners, and I'd regard it as boorish, selfish & arrogant.

Like I said a few posts back.. why not just keep the gates locked if it's so important?

Personally I don't see why it's being blown up to a major crisis.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to lock my garden gate. Why should I have to? I'd have to buy a lockable post box outside the garden for the postie, make sure friends rang me up first to be able to knock on my door. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

 

[Jazzz]

If he is wheeling that thing through your gate, he is simply taking the piss, and that means are more forceful energy is required to stop it.

There is no question that you don't want him to park there, it's not his parking space, he will have to park it somewhere else.

This is what I would do - I'd leave a note saying "Nice bike! Unfortunately, I don't like having it in my driveway. It doesn't work for me. Enjoy parking it somewhere else. Love, oddworld"

After that, I'd lock the gate when the bike is out, to make sure. Painless, and probably only necessary for a little while.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

My daughter suggested pretending that you thought you'd won it in a competition you entered ages ago and putting your own bike lock on it.....

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I'd lock the gate when the bike is out

...Nah, lock the gate when the bike is in, and go away for a week or two!

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Or clamp it and put up a sign....£100 release fee?

 

[Cloud]

Have a heart, motorcycle theft is rife. If your not using the space I can't see a problem. I would have asked permission myself but maybe he doesn't know it's your land. Is it your backyard or something? You mentioned a gate and that does seem a little over the top on his part.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

AneO - You have demonstrated just the sort of aggressive & arrogant attitudes & fuckwitted assumptions I've been on the wrong end of all to often where I'm fully entitled to or even on a public road itself. So I guess you have displayed your petty little level of of arrogance/prejudice/nimbyism. After all, where have I actually defended his action?

Wrong. All I did was contradicted and rebutted your accusations and assertions.

Either way, going-in with your blind & domineering instance on "legal rights" is just the sort of thing that will pointlessly inflame what will probably turn-out to be a pretty trivial thing. Keep it behind your twitching curtains please.

Pointing out that a person is not legally permitted to park where they are parking, in a polite manner, is not 'blind and domineering', it's simply a statement of fact.

If someone takes exception to that, to someone politely pointing out that they're not actually allowed to do something, and comes out with a load of venomous bile and I'm being persecuted victimhood then *they're* the ones with the attitude problem.

And why would it inflame the situation? It would only inflame the situation if the motorbike owner/parker acts like a total arse.

If someone told me I was parked illegally, I'd say sorry mate, I didn't know, I'll move it, I won't park here again. I certainly wouldn't be arguing the toss and complaining about how I can't park safely anywhere else, because I'd know that the poor random bod who informed me I was parked illegally had no control over over parking legislation, and wasn't responsible for the fact that I owned a motorbike that I was scared of getting knicked.

Why project *your* problems onto people, as if it's their problem? You're weird!

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Is it your backyard or something?

It's her patio.