Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Negativland said:
Buy a newer model and quit complaining.
New iPods
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Buy a newer model and quit complaining.
dogmatique
merde alors
Kid_Eternity said:
Would be, but how would you speak to anyone?
Sure, people like Griffin could make a dock plug-in, but Apple lock down application installation - you can do very little with the iPhone other than unofficial hacks. IIRC 3rd party iPhone devs are only able to use Apple's web applet thingy (like Java) and aren't given access to the full tools.
Some teenager in Wherever will probably manage though!
Great idea!
dogmatique
merde alors
editor said:
Yeah, I don't get it - the Paul McCartney tie in too? Smelly.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
dogmatique said:Would be, but how would you speak to anyone?
Sure, people like Griffin could make a dock plug-in, but Apple lock down application installation - you can do very little with the iPhone other than unofficial hacks. IIRC 3rd party iPhone devs are only able to use Apple's web applet thingy (like Java) and aren't given access to the full tools.
Some teenager in Wherever will probably manage though!
Great idea!
Yeah I was going to say add on but yeah it probably wont happen (could you imagine the phone networks shitting it if it did though!) but would be sweet...
editor
hiraethified
I posted this on the other thread but maybe it should go here too.
As far as I can see, the iPod Touch is basically a glossy, shiny version of a Sony Clie TH55 from over three years ago. Sadly, some of the breathless iFans seem to have forgotten that such things ever existed before their new toy:
Sony Clie:
Wi-fi - check
virtual keyboard - check
Bluetooth - check
MP3 player - check
Video - check
320-by-480 pixel screen - yes
camera - yes
Email and web browser - check
Video recorder - check
Full PIM/Word office apps - check
Memory (unlimited) via memory stick.
etc etc etc
And Apple's new uber-consumerist slogan for Starbucks surfers really sucks the fat one too:
"Sip. Buy. Repeat"
Eeeeuck!
http://guynameddave.typepad.com/stuckinstuff/2007/09/apple-and-stuff.html
*Note: For the record, I'd be equally disgusted if it was Palm or any other company coming up with such consumerist synergetic shite.
As far as I can see, the iPod Touch is basically a glossy, shiny version of a Sony Clie TH55 from over three years ago. Sadly, some of the breathless iFans seem to have forgotten that such things ever existed before their new toy:
Sony Clie:
Wi-fi - check
virtual keyboard - check
Bluetooth - check
MP3 player - check
Video - check
320-by-480 pixel screen - yes
camera - yes
Email and web browser - check
Video recorder - check
Full PIM/Word office apps - check
Memory (unlimited) via memory stick.
etc etc etc
And Apple's new uber-consumerist slogan for Starbucks surfers really sucks the fat one too:
"Sip. Buy. Repeat"
Eeeeuck!
http://guynameddave.typepad.com/stuckinstuff/2007/09/apple-and-stuff.html
*Note: For the record, I'd be equally disgusted if it was Palm or any other company coming up with such consumerist synergetic shite.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
That new Nano is pants. Quite like the touch iPod but 16gig is rubbish. I'll stick with my 1st gen nano until it breaks (can't be far away - it's over a year old).
To be fair, like the first ipods, it's not the fact that it's a revolutionary product that's the clincher, it's the fact that it works so well.
I've had a go on the iphone now and I was seriously impressed with the interface. Very quick, very responsive, very intuitive. The multitouch gubbins honestly makes a huge difference - the web browser, with its easy zoom and subsequent legibility is the first that I've used on a mobile device that really doesn't feel like a major compromise.
I haven't used tht particular Sony, but knowledge of their recent software and UI or late suggests that it won't be quite as enjoyable an experience.
I've had a go on the iphone now and I was seriously impressed with the interface. Very quick, very responsive, very intuitive. The multitouch gubbins honestly makes a huge difference - the web browser, with its easy zoom and subsequent legibility is the first that I've used on a mobile device that really doesn't feel like a major compromise.
I haven't used tht particular Sony, but knowledge of their recent software and UI or late suggests that it won't be quite as enjoyable an experience.
guinessshandy
New Member
I've sorry but don't see the whole fuss over ipods, the new one is almost the same as the iphone without the phone calls!! Sorry I'm more of a radio person with a weird taste in music and no clue what the world of music is like these days and I'm only in my early-ish 20's. Perhaps I'm having a mid life crisis LOL
guinessshandy said:
They've missed a trick by not including DAB in the iPod. A couple of radio companies are working on sets at present which will have a "buy now" button; hear a song on the radio, the station sends out data saying what the song is, the user presses "buy now" and the set will download the song over WiFi or similar. It's quite a good idea; imagine radio without the irritating loan adverts because numpties are paying for the station to stay on air.
editor
hiraethified
I've no doubt that Apple's interface will be far superior to the Sony TH55, but then it is three and a half years old.tarannau said:
But even a full-on Apple fan like yourself must feel just a smidgeon uncomfortable with all this "Sip. Buy. Repeat" Starbucks/Nike synergetic corporate consumerist love-in stuff? Apple seems to have cranked up all this shit by a factor of ten recently and it quite puts me off them.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
and me
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I'd never buy an iPhone as how can you recieve a call when you've run your battery down doing other things.
I believe in having a plain and simple phone and then a gadget to do everything else.
I'll stick with my 30gb iPod for now until it goes bang. Then I'll see what is around. If the iTouch doesn't shuffle playlists by then I'll probably ditch it for a Walkman or something.
I believe in having a plain and simple phone and then a gadget to do everything else.
I'll stick with my 30gb iPod for now until it goes bang. Then I'll see what is around. If the iTouch doesn't shuffle playlists by then I'll probably ditch it for a Walkman or something.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
editor said:
Not part of the product you are forced to use. I find Apple a strange company in that respect. They have all that well over the top corporate shit, but at the heart of it all is a device that is corporate bollox free. The iPod was the most glaring example of this, being able to play standard MP3's. The iTouch seems to be along the same lines. I can play Lost on it if its in the correct format. They clearly realised that without this its dead in the water. Apple = Cool these days, so can get away with stuff to a degree.
The original iTouches will be the most open to a full hack so will be able to run other software within a short time. I can't imagine that someone won't be tempted to get other apps running. If they don't try I'll certainly have a go.
The lack of actual buttons does limit what is actually playable on it once its hacked, but we shall see. 200 quid for a 16Gb isn't too bad. I'll get it from the States if they try to do the $=£ shit.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Ehh... to be honest, I keep hearing people say "but it hasn't got a tuner!" about iPods, but quite honestly (a) I spend a lot of my iPod-listening time in the tube or other places with no reception and (b) I don't listen to music radio _anyway_ because it's pretty much all cack. Podcasts are the closest I get.chio said:They've missed a trick by not including DAB in the iPod. A couple of radio companies are working on sets at present which will have a "buy now" button; hear a song on the radio, the station sends out data saying what the song is, the user presses "buy now" and the set will download the song over WiFi or similar. It's quite a good idea; imagine radio without the irritating loan adverts because numpties are paying for the station to stay on air.
In the US it's all either FM or satellite anyway, and you're usually going to be out of wifi range. Now, streaming net radio with the option to buy might be a good idea (for Apple) - you're going to be online, so you can immediately go and buy - but they don't even have that in the static desktop iTunes.
FridgeMagnet said:
London's a special case though; we don't have miles of tubes or tunnels and people do sit and listen to the radio with good reception on the bus or train. FM on mobiles seems to be one of the more popular ways of listening, but that's only because there aren't many phones with DAB. (Actually, there's one, called "Lobster". It was only available through one operator and it's discontinued.)
A lot of FM/AM music radio is utter arse, but that's where digital comes in; there's the potential there for completely new stations offering new formats, possibly even automated. Those niche formats might not have had an icecube in hell's chance of attracting ad revenue in the past, but if listeners can buy tunes via the station, they've got a second revenue stream there. That's how Jazz FM operated, albeit in a less high-tech way with their own label. I'd much rather listen to a well-programmed radio station that'll introduce me to new music than my own collection on an iPod going round and round.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
As long as you stay away from the Music Store. That's the thing that irritates me most about Apple at the moment, their constant attempts to combine the device (iPod) and the software (iTunes) with the store (iTunes Music Store). If you go to the iPod section of their site, it's in fact called "iPod + iTunes".Sunray said:
iPods are great, iTunes is a perfectly adequate music player but the store sells overpriced DRM-laden stuff, particularly the videos (this is not to say that I've never bought anything off it when drunk
) and really, it wouldn't matter if it _wasn't_. I would like to be able to use all three components as and when I choose for the purpose that I choose. Perhaps I want to use my iTunes library with a different player and get music from somewhere else, or I want to put iTMS music on an iPod but I hate iTunes.I have nothing against "end-to-end solutions" in principle as long as they work well, which this does, but I want the option to replace any part of it with something else, and I hate feeling railroaded.
But anyway, all of this "partnership" stuff is grandstanding corporate guff. It's only there to impress management and shareholders and the business pages, it's not for users. I was in a Mac chatroom at the time listening to the announcements and people's comments, and they were all ripping the piss, particularly out of the ringtone thing - and these are the proper Mac faithful. (iFaithful?) They'll still go and buy the kit though, because the kit is good.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
I tried the Apple tuner add-on for my nano (looks like the new shuffle) - it broke after 3 months (headphone socket). Trouble was the radio stations here in Holland are dreadful so I never much listened to it.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Well, I used to listen to radio on portables but tbh I found it a pain in the arse. The reception was still spotty even on the bus and the quality very variable. I always just got pissed off with it after twenty minutes at most and put on MP3s.chio said:
If there are proper digital stations out there (and they do seem to be emerging on the US satellite radio market, due to the fact that the radio there is _even worse) I can see the point if you are out and about, but you won't get DAB on an iPod unless it takes off in the US. It also adds to the bulk and Apple are big on avoiding that.
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