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Perhaps the first example of electronic music on the Beeb:cool:

Done by some bird working in the sound department. Mint.

written by Ron Grainger and re-worked by the marvellous Delia Derbyshire. He tried to get her a co-writing credit, but the beeb wouldn't allow it. He does get royalties from, eg, the Orbital version, but no residuals from the show.

She just got her salary, but seemed to do alright anyway.
 
yeaj i knew that bit but shouldn't the initials look more phoneboxy for that to work as a concept?

and does dr who know it ripped off bill and ted?


dave(ducks)
 
your not meant to!

but im leaving and no oes got angry soo.....

Obtuse on the bill and ted, complaints about the graphic stands though, it doesn't look like a tardis.
 
Yeah, definitely. The Beeb would definitely give one of their employees all the royalties from a tune made while working for them. ;)

actually, iirc, as a slave of Auntie she got fuck all save wages.

That's not how publishing generally works. It's a relatively new thing for broadcasters to act as publishers and take a cut, even if the writer is an employee. It's probably not even legal (in that it is unfair). ITV are considered shits for taking 50% with EMI for employees who write.
They almost certainly got a 'buy out' to use the song whenever and wherever they liked - forever without ever having to pay, but that has nothing to do with royalties (that the BBC don't pay).

I'll go and check the music cue sheets on the PRS website (not that anyone really cares, but I'm interested now).
 
written by Ron Grainger and re-worked by the marvellous Delia Derbyshire. He tried to get her a co-writing credit, but the beeb wouldn't allow it. He does get royalties from, eg, the Orbital version, but no residuals from the show.

She just got her salary, but seemed to do alright anyway.

I have just checked the PRS sheets.

Delia Derbyshire gets 100% royalties for the Dr Who theme. That's fucking loads, I have only managed to get 100% on one theme and that was because some dicks forgot to make me sign a contract before broadcast.

BBC Worldwide get all the mechanicals, which for something like Dr Who is probably quite a lot (but for anything I do is pence). This is quite normal for a worldwide distributed theme. Then again Delia wouldn't have played on anything on the themes after the original one she did - so she wouldn't get anything anyway.
 
eh? how can she get owt? she didn't write it??!! not that i'm saying she doesnt deserve it, but, technically, she didn't write it, and so shouldn't get a penalty of royalties.
 
No offense to those who like Dr. Who, but if any other show had the same ratio of shit:good episodes you'd all be slagging it off, regardless of the logo.

Must be a chilhood rose-tinted specs thing, I've never 'got' it.
 
I don't mind the logo too much, it is the TARDIS thing that I think looks shite.

The new logo may look ok once properly incorporated into a decent title sequnce, so it may look a lots better than it does on a black background.

I would also be in favour if the new title sequene had the Doctor's face, as I quite liked that about the original episodes.
 
eh? how can she get owt? she didn't write it??!! not that i'm saying she doesnt deserve it, but, technically, she didn't write it, and so shouldn't get a penalty of royalties.

Yeah that is weird. if anything she should only be getting a the mechanicals from the 60s. However the BBC would have taken the mechanicals anyway.

It could be that Grainer passed on his right to the publishing and royalties when he died. I think what Derbyshire did went a little further than Grainers piece so there was always a little contention as to who wrote the music. The BBC would not give her a credit (because the Radiophonic workshop were supposed to be anonymous) but that doesn't mean there wasn't a royalties split from the beginning and that passed 100% to Derbyshire after Rons death. I'm often uncredited for music or credited under a different name (sometimes even atomic suplex), it doesn't mean I don't get my royalties.
 
I shall refuse to watch post-Tennant Who.

In response to your stance, Doctor Who will be shown on your television's BBC1 at around sevenish on Saturday nights regardless of whether you are watching the channel or not.

:facepalm:
 
interesting.

what are 'mechanicals'? the fee for repeat usage at the beeb itself?

Mechanicals are payments to performers on the actual song used. I can never be arsed to collect mine because I have to join MCPS.

I might write a song but pay a guy to play sax on it. This makes things a little bit of a pain to split the mechanicals. However (and maybe because of this) most broadcasters just take all the mechanicals. I still get mine from an old publisher I was with but they amount to absolutely fuck all compared to publishing royalties.
 
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