new deal question

[The Unseen]

this is a joke right?

Even with the influx of foreign workers in this country, there are still jobs out there for everybody

Whats your major malfunction? Are you incapable of working, then possibly you should be dissability allowance.

Somehow i doubt that

call centre's, factorys, warehouses, supermarkets, shops, driver/drivers mate etc... are just a few of the many common job types that are readily available all over the country

unless you just don't want a job, therefore wanting to leech off the government to live your life of pleasure whilst Joe Bloggs works hard at the meat factory depositing a bit towards your leisure.

New Deal, my mate went on a course, finished it, didn't really learn anything new but secured a job at the end of it which he was pleased with.

What you got to lose except your fortnightly pay?

 

[chymaera]

this is a joke right?

Even with the influx of foreign workers in this country, there are still jobs out there for everybody

Locally people who have been doing low skilled seasonal work for decades are now being told:- "fuck off we are only employing foreign labour."
If there is a BNP candidate at the next general election the amount of votes they get is going to be interesting.

 

[_angel_]

this is a joke right?

Even with the influx of foreign workers in this country, there are still jobs out there for everybody

Whats your major malfunction? Are you incapable of working, then possibly you should be dissability allowance.

Somehow i doubt that

call centre's, factorys, warehouses, supermarkets, shops, driver/drivers mate etc... are just a few of the many common job types that are readily available all over the country

unless you just don't want a job, therefore wanting to leech off the government to live your life of pleasure whilst Joe Bloggs works hard at the meat factory depositing a bit towards your leisure.

New Deal, my mate went on a course, finished it, didn't really learn anything new but secured a job at the end of it which he was pleased with.

What you got to lose except your fortnightly pay?

The problems not the number of jobs but whether they pay enough for anyone not bunking up two or three to a room to live on.

And speaking as someone looking for a job amongst difficult circumstances (I am not on JSA) I can tell you that so far employers just don't want to know.

 

[heartof gold]

this is a joke right?

Even with the influx of foreign workers in this country, there are still jobs out there for everybody

Whats your major malfunction? Are you incapable of working, then possibly you should be dissability allowance.

Somehow i doubt that

call centre's, factorys, warehouses, supermarkets, shops, driver/drivers mate etc... are just a few of the many common job types that are readily available all over the country

unless you just don't want a job, therefore wanting to leech off the government to live your life of pleasure whilst Joe Bloggs works hard at the meat factory depositing a bit towards your leisure.

New Deal, my mate went on a course, finished it, didn't really learn anything new but secured a job at the end of it which he was pleased with.

What you got to lose except your fortnightly pay?

lol life of pleasure on jsa


joe bloggs has to pay his taxes its tough, and his taxes pay for alot of things in the country. Isnt joe bloggs more annoyed that his taxes are going to pay to keep people in prison would of thought there was more things to get steamed up about than people legally claiming allowances. sorry the world isnt perfect for joe bloggs but taxes are a part of life everyone pays them even people on jsa we all pay tax.

 

[jæd]

lol life of pleasure on jsa

joe bloggs has to pay his taxes its tough, and his taxes pay for alot of things in the country. Isnt joe bloggs more annoyed that his taxes are going to pay to keep people in prison would of thought there was more things to get steamed up about than people legally claiming allowances. sorry the world isnt perfect for joe bloggs but taxes are a part of life everyone pays them even people on jsa we all pay tax.

So you'd rather have murderers + rapist serve out their sentences in the community...?

 

[Jografer]

lol life of pleasure on jsa


joe bloggs has to pay his taxes its tough, and his taxes pay for alot of things in the country. Isnt joe bloggs more annoyed that his taxes are going to pay to keep people in prison would of thought there was more things to get steamed up about than people legally claiming allowances. sorry the world isnt perfect for joe bloggs but taxes are a part of life everyone pays them even people on jsa we all pay tax.

No, this Joe Bloggs is still waiting for an answer to the question about what is stopping you getting some work, as the money is so crap, and they keep insisting you do things you don't want.....

... so, no, sympathy nil.....

 

[The Unseen]

I live on my own, on minimum wage. Its not impossible

I reckon its about what people are prepared to take on not 'there is no work' or 'employers don't want to know'

I don't mean to sound arsey, i just can't believe for a second that people can't find work anywhere. Specially when there discussing options on how to get out of the new deal and claiming that they are sick so they can get sickness pay for 13 weeks, then resign onto JSA just to avoid it.

My mate also has epilepsy, and i'm sure there are thousands/millions out there with an illness, who work or want to work.

I also suffer from manic depression, i work.

Unless there is something seriously wrong with somebody i can't see why they would not find work.

 

[heartof gold]

So you'd rather have murderers + rapist serve out their sentences in the community...?

no i would rather we didnt have them at all. Not only have they committed terrible crimes and taken peoples lives, money then has be spent keeping them alive for years, far worse in my opinion than someone legally claiming an allowance.

 

[ViolentPanda]

this is a joke right?

Even with the influx of foreign workers in this country, there are still jobs out there for everybody

Whats your major malfunction? Are you incapable of working, then possibly you should be dissability allowance.

Somehow i doubt that

call centre's, factorys, warehouses, supermarkets, shops, driver/drivers mate etc... are just a few of the many common job types that are readily available all over the country

Great if you drive, and if you live in an urban rather than rural area, but what if you're out in the sticks and dependent on public transport, hmmm?
Or, G-d help you, you live in an area where 70% of the work is seasonal?

unless you just don't want a job, therefore wanting to leech off the government to live your life of pleasure whilst Joe Bloggs works hard at the meat factory depositing a bit towards your leisure.

New Deal, my mate went on a course, finished it, didn't really learn anything new but secured a job at the end of it which he was pleased with.

What you got to lose except your fortnightly pay?

I love people like you, honestly I do. It's really great to know that some villages still have their idiots!

 

[heartof gold]

... so, no, sympathy nil.....[/QUOTE]

fair enough shant lose any sleep over it.

 

[heartof gold]

... so, no, sympathy nil.....[/QUOTE]

fair enough shant lose any sleep over it.

 

[The Unseen]

lol life of pleasure on jsa


joe bloggs has to pay his taxes its tough, and his taxes pay for alot of things in the country. Isnt joe bloggs more annoyed that his taxes are going to pay to keep people in prison would of thought there was more things to get steamed up about than people legally claiming allowances. sorry the world isnt perfect for joe bloggs but taxes are a part of life everyone pays them even people on jsa we all pay tax.

If the JSA is not pleasurable enough for you, get a fucking job.

I'd rather pay to keep people locked up, away from people who abide the law, for our own safety, well being and financial comfort than some lazy fuck who thinks he's above the work on offer for them to sit at home all day twiddling there thumbs at the prospect they HAVE to look for work - one of the clauses of new deal is LOOK FOR WORK, are you even doing that? What are you looking for? where do you live, i could find you a job in a minute.

Why should we pay for you to sit at home, when its obvious your capable of working anywhere but have no intention of looking for work? The only reason we do, is to prevent you all from turning scavenger (well, in a way) and roaming the streets, robbing people for money, food, clothes, drug money etc...

But still, if someone else is gonna pay your way, expect them to have an opinion on what you should do.

You believe your free?? free to choose?? you choose to live off the government handouts, we should just as easily be able to pick and choose who we help. But we aren't allowed that luxury, so your luxury of sitting at home all day shouldn't be cemented, you should be expected to look for work, accept any course the government offers you, or, the reason why you started this thread in the first place, have your benefit removed.

Then what ya gonna do?

Scavenge the old fashiioned way?

LOL, nah, its easier (but oh such a hassle) to just walk down to social services and ask them for a crisis loan............

 

[ViolentPanda]

The problems not the number of jobs but whether they pay enough for anyone not bunking up two or three to a room to live on.

And whether you live an affordable (by public or private transport) commuting distance from these jobs.

And speaking as someone looking for a job amongst difficult circumstances (I am not on JSA) I can tell you that so far employers just don't want to know.

True.
What they want is people who can instantly conform to the company/business's needs, not someone whose working life will be determined by their other responsibilities or disabilities.

 

[The Unseen]

Great if you drive, and if you live in an urban rather than rural area, but what if you're out in the sticks and dependent on public transport, hmmm?
Or, G-d help you, you live in an area where 70% of the work is seasonal?

I love people like you, honestly I do. It's really great to know that some villages still have their idiots!

why do you not work?

are you a rural area person?

 

[The Unseen]

And whether you live an affordable (by public or private transport) commuting distance from these jobs.

True.
What they want is people who can instantly conform to the company/business's needs, not someone whose working life will be determined by their other responsibilities or disabilities.

my previous posts were intended for heartof gold, this person has demonstrated absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be working.

they seem capable

As for rural area peeps. Maybe they should move? Just an idea, i had to.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So you'd rather have murderers + rapist serve out their sentences in the community...?

From what I recall from some of her previous posts, she'd far rather see rapists and murderers hung, drawn and quartered, and when I say "see", I mean "see".

 

[ViolentPanda]

why do you not work?

Because I have multiple physical impairments and several long-term illnesses that mean that even though I want to, no bugger will employ me.
Would you employ someone who couldn't even guarantee their attendance one day a week, let alone five?

are you a rural area person?

No, but most of my paternal relations are, so I know the score. I also know that public transport costs or the costs of keeping a car on the road, make minimum wage jobs unfeasible.

 

[heartof gold]

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thinks he's

he shows how much you have been listening im not a he if you cant get that right why should i bother listening to your ramblings and reading your posts i cannot take you seriously sorry and for the record i have never claimed a crisis loan.

 

[ViolentPanda]

my previous posts were intended for heartof gold, this person has demonstrated absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be working.

they seem capable

I agree. I personally think Heartof Gold should piss or get off the pot, but I'm not holding my breath (going by previous form, you understand).

As for rural area peeps. Maybe they should move? Just an idea, i had to.

It's not always that simple though, is it? Sure you can move and then look for work, in an ideal world, but what's paying that deposit on the place in the city you moved to, what will pay the rent (given how many landlords won't rent to benefits claimants)?
Whatever your answers are to the above, you need to be aware that not everyone will share your circumstances and/o be able to follow the route you took.

 

[The Unseen]

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thinks he's

he shows how much you have been listening im not a he if you cant get that right why should i bother listening to your ramblings and reading your posts i cannot take you seriously sorry and for the record i have never claimed a crisis loan.

yes, but one day you will. Cos if you can't be arsed to read posts that have he instead of she in them, it go's along way to showing your a lazy fuck that thinks they are above it all. For the record, my keyboards fucked, tesco value keyboards

thats how i get by, tesco value. For people like yourself, there are a million and one options for you to take to get by from day to day, even tesco value is there for us. Get a job

 

[The Unseen]

I agree. I personally think Heartof Gold should piss or get off the pot, but I'm not holding my breath (going by previous form, you understand).

It's not always that simple though, is it? Sure you can move and then look for work, in an ideal world, but what's paying that deposit on the place in the city you moved to, what will pay the rent (given how many landlords won't rent to benefits claimants)?
Whatever your answers are to the above, you need to be aware that not everyone will share your circumstances and/o be able to follow the route you took.

I understand its not easy in the light of disability, and i apoligise if i offended you. home work an option? although from what i've seen home work can be pretty pointless unless you have qualifications of a high degree and can take your work home...have it delivered or whatever.

I'm thinking from an ideal point of view on this one to be fair.

I met a lad who discussed with me, through a friend, the shitness of MS. He was forced to live on the bottom line of living purely cos he couldn't walk, talk or use him arms in an effective manner. All he wanted to do was make tunes on a computer at home instead of having to goto a learning centre to do it, but he couldn't afford a computer.

Surely there are options for people like this to get help of a more constructive manner, if not, why not?

His dream was to make music and raise awareness of disability, he doesn't seem to have a choice.

 

[_angel_]

LOL, nah, its easier (but oh such a hassle) to just walk down to social services and ask them for a crisis loan............

Social services have nothing to do with crisis loans. Crisis loans have to be paid back and they are not easy to get.
You don't sound like you know what you're on about.

 

[The Unseen]

Social services have nothing to do with crisis loans. Crisis loans have to be paid back and they are not easy to get.
You don't sound like you know what you're on about.

I don't know the name of the place no, but having been homeless i have received crisis loans. From a place where you get them....

 

[_angel_]

I don't know the name of the place no, but having been homeless i have received crisis loans. From a place where you get them....

The DSS did do them. I think you've got to prove you're about to starve to get one mind.

The problem here is people going 'ooh look they're jobs' but not stating how much those jobs pay and can people actually afford to live on em. We're not just talking minimum wage but no hours contracts or only part time hours.

If you have a rent to pay/ mortgage family ties you may not be able to just 'get on your bike and get a job'.

The govt need to solve problems of employment blackspot areas, not just blaming the residents (as they seem to be doing).

Moving out and looking for work elsewhere is of course dependent on having some bloody money in the first place and somewhere to stay - friends or relatives, someone who can fix you with a job.

Personally I wouldn't mind working for the same as what I'm getting now - I expect that - but someone has got to want to employ someone who has strict family committments and can only work so many hours.

Working from home would be nice but I haven't seen any offers yet (and I'm not doing the folding envelopes/ stuffing boxes scam)

 

[The Unseen]

The DSS did do them. I think you've got to prove you're about to starve to get one mind.

The problem here is people going 'ooh look they're jobs' but not stating how much those jobs pay and can people actually afford to live on em. We're not just talking minimum wage but no hours contracts or only part time hours.

If you have a rent to pay/ mortgage family ties you may not be able to just 'get on your bike and get a job'.

The govt need to solve problems of employment blackspot areas, not just blaming the residents (as they seem to be doing).

Moving out and looking for work elsewhere is of course dependent on having some bloody money in the first place and somewhere to stay - friends or relatives, someone who can fix you with a job.

Personally I wouldn't mind working for the same as what I'm getting now - I expect that - but someone has got to want to employ someone who has strict family committments and can only work so many hours.

Working from home would be nice but I haven't seen any offers yet (and I'm not doing the folding envelopes/ stuffing boxes scam)

I just don't think its as impossible as its made out to be, there are options wether you work or not. If you can afford to live on JSA then you can afford to live on minimum wage, which is what i'm getting at with the OP.

 

[_angel_]

I just don't think its as impossible as its made out to be, there are options wether you work or not. If you can afford to live on JSA then you can afford to live on minimum wage, which is what i'm getting at with the OP.

It depends, I think on your rent. If you're in a local authority rent or cheap room you may. If you've got a house/ mortgage rent that is high you would not.

That is the poverty trap -- don't you know?

 

[chymaera]

I just don't think its as impossible as its made out to be, there are options wether you work or not. If you can afford to live on JSA then you can afford to live on minimum wage, which is what i'm getting at with the OP.

Depends how much you have to spend on bus fares to get to a minimum wage job. (The minimum wage is an hourly rate NOT a minimum weekly wage.)

 

[nino_savatte]

I just don't think its as impossible as its made out to be, there are options wether you work or not. If you can afford to live on JSA then you can afford to live on minimum wage, which is what i'm getting at with the OP.

Read my lips: NO ONE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE ON JSA. It is a myth to think that anyone can. I'd like to know what formula the gov't uses to determine the level of benefit and what indexes they use to support their claim that 59.00 is sufficient when utility bills have shot through the roof and the cost of living in this country keeps getting more expensive.

ETA: If you're a carer, you're well and truly fucked because the gov't has decided that carers can live on 48.00 per week (they have to look for work at the same time too).

 

[_angel_]

Someone else made the good point there isn't really a proper min wage as employers are still allowed to employ people on as-and-when they want contracts.

 

[The Unseen]

Read my lips: NO ONE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE ON JSA. It is a myth to think that anyone can. I'd like to know what formula the gov't uses to determine the level of benefit and what indexes they use to support their claim that 59.00 is sufficient when utility bills have shot through the roof and the cost of living in this country keeps getting more expensive.

ETA: If you're a carer, you're well and truly fucked because the gov't has decided that carers can live on 48.00 per week.

but if you can afford to live on it, say, you live with your mum (heartof gold) and she looks after you (awww) then you can.

otherwise why else would you be desperate to stay on it, if life was so un comfortable?