New council houses for Muslims in Oldham

[durruti02]

durutti02, have you met hyperbole? Hyperbole, meet durutti02. I'm sure you'll get on really well together.

Tell you what, your little rants may go down well in the pub (which may explain why they're so incoherent), but please don't go down the route of trying to claim, a la tbaldwin, that "most people" are behind you.
I certainly haven't noticed it being discussed in "every pub" in my area, not even in every w/c pub. And as for "the front page", who the fuck's view is that on the front page, yours, mine or some boss cunt who wants his interests served, not yours or mine, that's who!

Never took you for a sucker of corporate cock, durutti, but it's amazing how close your views are to much of the bollocks the media put out, isn't it?

What was that you were saying about lala-land?

so why did the ukip get millons of votes and why did the bnp do so well and why does john reid need to 'talk tuff' about it and why does the scum press think it can use it to wind shit up and why does the swp have SO little influence in the w/c and why does the LGA say the govt needs to come clean as their figures are massively out to what evry local authority is reporting

.. and i'm in la la land mate .. gods sake ..

yoy honestly think i make this up

 

[ViolentPanda]

so why did the ukip get millons of votes and why did the bnp do so well and why does john reid need to 'talk tuff' about it and why does the scum press think it can use it to wind shit up and why does the swp have SO little influence in the w/c and why does the LGA say the govt needs to come clean as their figures are massively out to what evry local authority is reporting

.. and i'm in la la land mate .. gods sake ..

yoy honestly think i make this up

1) UKIP didn't get "millions" of votes, you hyperbolic spoon, even their own website only claims 610,000.

2) The BNP is not doing "so well". It's bad that people are voting for them, but are they in the same position the NF was in 25 years ago? Nowhere fucking near. Having twats running around saying "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" doesn't help.

3) Reid talks tough because his and the government's aims are similar to those of the media, a nice cowlike population of consumers who won't say boo to a goose.

4) Why do the swappies have so little influence? Because they're irrelevant, the same as any vanguardist organisation is, the same as anyone who tells the w/c that they aren't capable of self-organisation is..

5) The LGA has (correctly) been telling central government that it's figures are wrong since Patrick Jenkin and Michael Heseltine revised the central grant system over 20 years ago. That's the problem with centralised bureaucracy, it buries its' head in the sand until everything goes "boom" and showers us all with shit.

I don't think you make stuff up, I think your perspective on it blinds you to some of the facts.

And by the way, anyone who exaggerates 610, 000 votes into "millions" is in lala-land, and should meditate on the story of the boy who cried wolf.

 

[durruti02]

1) UKIP didn't get "millions" of votes, you hyperbolic spoon, even their own website only claims 610,000.

2) The BNP is not doing "so well". It's bad that people are voting for them, but are they in the same position the NF was in 25 years ago? Nowhere fucking near. Having twats running around saying "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" doesn't help.

3) Reid talks tough because his and the government's aims are similar to those of the media, a nice cowlike population of consumers who won't say boo to a goose.

4) Why do the swappies have so little influence? Because they're irrelevant, the same as any vanguardist organisation is, the same as anyone who tells the w/c that they aren't capable of self-organisation is..

5) The LGA has (correctly) been telling central government that it's figures are wrong since Patrick Jenkin and Michael Heseltine revised the central grant system over 20 years ago. That's the problem with centralised bureaucracy, it buries its' head in the sand until everything goes "boom" and showers us all with shit.

I don't think you make stuff up, I think your perspective on it blinds you to some of the facts.

And by the way, anyone who exaggerates 610, 000 votes into "millions" is in lala-land, and should meditate on the story of the boy who cried wolf.

1) .. sorry but the ukip in the last few years has got ( just !! ) over a million votes .. ( euros/national/london major etc ) maybe many of the same people .. yes not millions .. THAT was hyberbole i get over excited .. ..

2) .. bnp are doing MUCH better than NF whereWHERE they are active .. NF didn't have councillors like BNP do now .. and the NF were not up against the UKIP

3) so yu do not agree with the idea that the govt might do one thing with one hand and another with the other reid is making out he is hard as it is SUCH a big issue for people ..

4) sadly the swps are NOT irrelevant .. they have been behind the massive STWC marches and obvioulsy respect which had nationwide coverage in the election and thru GG ... they also play a very destructive role in many important w/c organisations like DCH ... and play a very negative role thru NL AND UAF

5) I know that but when slough says the real figures are 9000 instead 300 it is of a differrent order ..

"The LGA chairman cited Slough in Berkshire as an example, where official figures indicated that the number of immigrants in the area was far lower than it actually was. According to the figures, 300 migrants settled in Slough in 2004. However, there were 9,000 new National Insurance registrations in the town that year, of which only 150 were for British nationals."

the anti immigrant /eu vote is ok in the high hundreds of thousends and approaching a million .. sorry this IS la la land to ignore this .. i suspect it will return the tories at the next election as fked off w/c voters think that somehow the to.. what will you say then?

 

[ViolentPanda]

1) .. sorry but the ukip in the last few years has got ( just !! ) over a million votes .. ( euros/national/london major etc ) maybe many of the same people .. yes not millions .. THAT was hyberbole i get over excited .. ..

2) .. bnp are doing MUCH better than NF whereWHERE they are active .. NF didn't have councillors like BNP do now .. and the NF were not up against the UKIP

The NFs' position was "deeper" than the BNP though, they had actually got into the middle-class consciousness (as have UKIP) in a way that the BNP haven't (but desperately want to).
While I'm concerned about the BNP winning council seats, on their current showing they find holding them difficult, and getting block support in wards is a different proposition to standing in general elections and winning constituencies.

3) so yu do not agree with the idea that the govt might do one thing with one hand and another with the other reid is making out he is hard as it is SUCH a big issue for people ..

Unlike you, I don't think it's a case of him being a hypocrite, but of his entire govt (and the opposition) being their to primarily serve the interests of business. We get read banging on about crime, but how much of what he said was solid policy, and how much was grandstanding and stroking the press? As far as I can see there's plenty of tough posturing on crime and fuck all to tackle the causes of crime.

4) sadly the swps are NOT irrelevant .. they have been behind the massive STWC marches and obvioulsy respect which had nationwide coverage in the election and thru GG ... they also play a very destructive role in many important w/c organisations like DCH ... and play a very negative role thru NL AND UAF

The swappies weren't "behind" the StWC, they were part of it, and as usual couldn't resist trying to co-opt it once the first big march had taken place.
We all know the result of that: as the protest got "swappie-ised" the numbers of attendees dived.
They're an irrelevance to class-based politics.

5) I know that but when slough says the real figures are 9000 instead 300 it is of a differrent order ..

Not really. If you mask the problem for what, 20 years? Then you're going to get a cumulative problem, so the figures being 3000% out in Slough (and probably as bad or worse elsewhere) doesn't surprise me at all, especially when you bear in mind that central govt has also for the last 20 years been obfuscating on illegal immigration figures.

"The LGA chairman cited Slough in Berkshire as an example, where official figures indicated that the number of immigrants in the area was far lower than it actually was. According to the figures, 300 migrants settled in Slough in 2004. However, there were 9,000 new National Insurance registrations in the town that year, of which only 150 were for British nationals."

the anti immigrant /eu vote is ok in the high hundreds of thousends and approaching a million .. sorry this IS la la land to ignore this .. i suspect it will return the tories at the next election as fked off w/c voters think that somehow the to.. what will you say then?

The same as I say now, because the tories will be barely different from new labour's current policies if they get in.

You bang on about "approaching a million", but you're not quantifying the actually size of the UK polity, are you, you're not saying "under a million out of 27 million", and if you think that UKIP votes will help return the tories you don't know as much as you pretend about UKIP, mate. Most of them would rather wank a tiger than vote tory ever again.

 

[durruti02]

whatever VP .. i must be wrong .. all this talk about a million immigrants in the last 2/3 years must clearly be lies .. i must be mishearing people talking about it .. they must be talking about there's a lot of flag poles around here isn't there .. and john reid is using the issue cos many people are scared by flag poles and that they could fall on them in a storm .. is that it??

p.s. the slough figures relate to ONLY 2004 .. not a 20 year build up .. look it up ..

i never said reid is a hypocrite .. i agree ( as so often ) absolutely with you .. he is trying to cover what his govt is really doing .. which is support rampant capitlaism .. which pracytically is to allow mass immigration on a neo liberal agenda WHILE using Immigration laws to divide and rule, to stigmatise, to enhance precarity ( fck i swore i would NEVER use that word! )

sure the NF was deeper then .. but it had had more years of publicity and the whole enoch thing .. this is early days for the bnp .. look again at the yorkshire votes ( on the local election threads) truely frightenning ..

 

[MonkeyMagic]

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