New All night Tube Map

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Ponyutd, Jun 22, 2015.

  1. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Maintenance can only be done when trains aren't running. In the past, every single night-time hour was needed for repair works to keep the system running, because there had been no serious investment for decades.

    Now that loads of track and signalling has been replaced, the system (for these lines at least) is more reliable and needs less maintenance. Therefore, they can cut back to 5 nights off a week instead of 7.
     
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  2. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious

    I feel marginally less bitter and twisted now.
     
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

  4. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Seems fair to me if these routes get covered by the night tube.
     
  5. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Trouble is, as it says in the article tube journeys cost more than bus journeys so will hit those on low incomes. Plus, tubes don't go to all the same places as buses, leaving people to walk longer distances at night.
     
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  6. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Night bus fares are already more expensive than normal bus fares, making them close to tube fares anyway. Are night tube fares going to be more expensive ?

    Some people will walk longer distances others (me!) shorter ones.

    Sure, in an ideal world we'd keep all the night buses all the time, but every time I come back from Berlin or New York or many other major cities, I can't believe in a 24 hour city like London we don't get the same service. I can't see myself taking a two hour journey home on the night bus again when the night tube comes in, so demand for these buses will drop drastically and less popular routes have always been cut or reduced to the dismay of some.
     
  7. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    From the article:
    That's probably a rather superficial analysis, but there will be differences and those differences will add up.
    Fair enough if you're willing to walk those distances, but should everyone be? It really does depend very much on the person and the area they have to walk through.

    No-one's saying scrap the idea of the Night Tube, they're just not happy with the Night Bus service being restricted because of it.
     
  8. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    I prefer buses! and I have a bus pass so it costs me extra to get a tube. I don't get the tube very often but thought late night tubes rather scarey, especially as a woman.

    Bus fares are the same night and day, and have been for years. Currently £1.50.
     
  9. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    ...and another thing I won't miss about night buses is that half of the time I can't get on them because they are too crowded and that after often waiting for bloody ages.
     
  10. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    I find night buses no less scary. Loads of assaults happening on night buses and I have experienced some nasty homophobic abuse after clubbing on night buses. At least I'll spend less time on the night tube and as going out on weekends is not a necessity like going to work, I'm happy to spend that little bit more what in my case will be a couple journeys a month.
     
  11. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Pickman's model who I'm replying to seems to be saying that. I'd rather not have the night buses get cut either, but I still think the benefits of the night tube outweigh the downsides.
     
  12. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Fair enough. My interpretation was that Pickman's was just highlighting, via the article, there were downsides that tend to get forgotten in the "whooo! Night Tube!" excitement, not necessarily that the Night Tube should therefore not go ahead.

    I could be wrong though ;)
     
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  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    i don't. i don't see why one group of people should suffer because a new service is added - why should the addition of a new service lead to the diminishment of another?
     
  14. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Extra money gets spent on one service, savings will made on another. Not exactly news when it comes to public transport. Nobody here says it should happen, but the "why" isn't difficult to figure out.

    They constantly try to cut day buses which they claim aren't used enough where I live and I keep sending cranky emails to Tfl
     
  15. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    sorry to hear that. It's been a long time since I've experienced homophobic abuse on buses - but then I don't get out much these days and I look like everyones gran now.

    I used to get buses home from clit club /fist etc back in the day, wearing very little with a long coat over it. I used to find night bus crowds to be more supportive - people reporting things to the driver etc. And you can see who is on the street where you alight.

    Getting stuck on a tube any time of day or night is my idea of hell. At least you can get off a bus.
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    in this case the services are complementary, not competitive.
     
  17. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I'm not sure that's necessarily the only answer.

    (Says me, who has no grounding in economics or awareness of TfL's operating budget and costs :hmm: ;))
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    it's cos they're beancounter wankers
     
  19. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Boris out ! :mad:

    Honestly though, Ken did a lot for London buses, keeping prices low and making them run much more frequently and on time. Boris doesn't give a fuck about people who have to take the buses.
     
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  20. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

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  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    c4u
     
  22. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Night Tube: Latest pay offer falls short, says union - BBC News

    Is it really sensible to have inexperienced, part-time staff working overnight shifts during which there will be a higher chance of a drunk and/or tired public causing safety concerns? :hmm:
     
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  23. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    Will the night tube be cancelled permanently now? Was delayed because of lack of agreement with the unions but now the CSR might make it unviable.
     
  24. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

  25. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    They're not going to put "inexperienced" people in a Tube cab..........
     
  26. clandestino

    clandestino no llevar papel

    Why would Crossrail make the night tube unviable?
     
  27. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    CSR stands for Comprehensive Spending Review not for Crossrail.
     
  28. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    I can :( I don't see the night tube changing anything for me... The limited service doesnt connect me with any of my night time haunts.. Won't change a thing personally. I've just moved and really wanted to move onto the night tube network but living near a tube station really costs a premium
     
  29. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    They will apparently be 'new' staff, which would suggest they've not worked a cab before or they have but stopped at some point, for who knows how long - either way they're going in inexperienced/out of practice or they will take time to (re)train.

    That's just my layman read on it, obviously; not discounting an option I haven't considered.
     
  30. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    You can't just put anyone in a train cab and expect them to drive it. No one gets to be a driver until a) they know that particular rolling stock inside out, and b) they know the route inside out, and c) they are fully trained.
     

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