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Nevada Bundy ranch - Stand off

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Barking_Mad, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    Well when confronted by the sight of police knocking seven shades of shite out of a defenceless young girl they'd do more about it than you and your hipster mates . Which was stand there and look at it iirc. As grown men .
    So I wouldn't sneer at them in your shoes.
     
  2. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced

    although being able to commit suicide with a gun by shooting themselves in the back of the head while in a high security prison was quite a magic trick:rolleyes:
     
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  3. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    Bit of a random non sequitur there CR, I'm sure you would have kicked seven shades of shit out of 20 Garda if you could have been arsed to get out of your very comfy armchair.
     
  4. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    If that sort of statement represents the prevailing attitude in those parts of the world where people can seriously say that, then the relatively cosy existence enjoyed by those people is a doomed one, because there isn't exactly a shortage of those who would sacrifice their immediate comforts, or even their own lives, in the furtherance of something that seeks to destroy the cushy arrangements of those who utter such limp platitudes. Even in the likely event that the beardie cunts or reactionary knuckleheads fail in their attempt to remould the world in their own image, there are still the consequences of an avaricious and jealous admixture of ruling classes to contend with, and they will not hesitate to throw the rest of us into the grinder if they think it will save their own miserable hides. Or if things aren't quite that desperate, they will (in various ways) exploit our natural desire for comfort and security to get what they want.

    If there is to be a revolution in spirit as well as in name, then it's sure as fuck not going to be some sort of anodyne office fantasy. It's going to involve pain, and sacrifice, and mistakes, and many or all of our previous assumptions about how society should work are going to be questioned if not outright destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. Surely that's what an actual revolution means?

    I don't think that a Eutopia of peace and plenty on Earth is impossible, and I certainly think that such a state of affairs would be far more desirable than anything that has come before. But at the same time I don't think that the achievement of such would be something that we could just slip into by carrying on as we always have done, because that's the kind of outlook that's given us the world that we live in already.

    I apologise if this little observation/rant is out of place. But I was struck by the statement, even if it wasn't meant seriously.
     
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  5. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    I AM AMMON, I AM HAMMOND

    Very interesting piece here about the support these men are getting

     
  6. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

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  7. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

     
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  8. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

     
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  9. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    But that ^^ link is all about people claiming a mortgage conspiracy... (who may be right despite being clueless).
     
  10. copliker

    copliker ...

    It was a joke m8. :confused: An old one too. (But lol at caj fash liking your post)
     
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  11. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    i only skimmed that link but the allegations on the surface of the behaviour of the police at least seem to be pretty shocking.
     
  12. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Hmmm: Mike Vanderboegh: portrait of an agent-provocateur:

    Four years ago Mother Jones published an article on Mike Vanderboegh, the ultrarightist leading the armed occupation of buildings in a bird sanctuary in Oregon that referred to his leftist past:

    Fiery rhetoric about resistance and revolution isn’t new for Vanderboegh, though the origins of his activism may seem a bit incongruous. “I used to be a communist,” he says. Vanderboegh, who is in his late 50s, claims he joined the anti-war movement in 1967, first with Students for a Democratic Society, then the Socialist Workers Party, and eventually the Maoist Progressive Labor Party.

    Vanderboegh says his days as a left-wing radical came to an end in 1977. At the time, he was working as an aide in an Ohio hospital and an ex-Wehrmacht surgeon being treated there “wrestle[d] the devil for my soul.” “Herr Doktor,” as Vanderboegh called him, gave him a copy of Friedrich von Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, a 1944 tome that is one of the intellectual pillars of libertarianism. Through Hayek and some tutoring from Herr Doktor on the evils of communism, Vanderboegh says, he saw the light and gave up the class struggle and even politics in general—at least for a while.

    Vanderboegh’s “conversion” is recounted in a post on Sipsey Street Irregulars, a blog that describes itself as “The ORIGINAL gathering place for a merry band of Three Percenters. (As denounced by Bill Clinton on CNN!)”.

    ...

    But check out what Vanderboegh says about his work with the PLP:

    Toward the end, I became a member of the PLP’s “secret party,” dropped from public view and on instructions began to organize a “worker’s militia” in central Ohio. We’d start out vetting new members by having them break into National Guard armory parking lots and slash vehicle tires. In the end, we’d rob dope dealers to raise the money to buy weapons, all kinds of weapons. We were very good at what we did. And very, very lucky. Don’t believe me? Most of my “Benedict Arnold” period papers are part of a collection at the Ohio Historical Society. Look it up. You can look up the statute of limitations too. Nobody died. Like I said, we were very, very lucky.

    This sounds like utter bullshit to me. If you know anything about the PLP, you know that the last thing they would be up to is robbing dope dealers or slashing tires in National Guard armory parking lots. Most likely, a PLP member would be selling their unreadable newspaper in front of plant gates, the same kind of activity that the SWP would eventually take up. The PLP was a workerist sect that was involved with some major campus struggles such as the San Francisco State student strike of 1968. But its working class intervention was pretty focused on “serving the people” trade union organizing that was anything but adventuristic. In Boston, they were focused on getting their members into the GE plant in Lynn or into the local hospitals.
     
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  13. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

  14. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

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  15. Lurcio

    Lurcio Steaming Mass of MegaCITY1

    There is a missing piece to this story . . .

    And that is the legions of Americans that have fallen off the labour roll and are not counted in the (official) unemployment stats. It also points to falling incomes of the middle class that are having to make ends meet by working in the black economy, which, is based on cultivating land and managing lifestock.

    This is the context for this story.

    But its hardly mentioned by the msm.
     
  16. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    That, and also that many of these ranchers are actually hereditary tenants.
     
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  17. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Burns Paiute Tribe Reacts to Takeover of Ancestral Land by “Group of Clowns”
     
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  18. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

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  19. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    You're a fucking joke and his reply to your insipid old bollocks was spot on. Regardless of how precious you are about people giving it a like.
     
  20. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    I admitted that possibility, hence the comment at the end of my post which now turns out to have been justified. At the same time, "many a true word is spoken in jest", and given that most people generally don't like being forced out of their comfort zones it's not completely outlandish to suggest that there would be some who would make similar kinds of statements with a whole-hearted sincerity.
     
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  21. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

  22. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    One interesting thing that is being ignored is the two ranchers are being banged up under federal mandatory minimum sentencing rules. The reason they were re released and sent back to jail is the judge who originally sentenced them felt the mandatory minimum was too severe. Ironically left wing types generally oppose mandatory minimums, while right wing law and order types generally support them which is why I think that angle on this case hasnt really been discussed.
     
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  23. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

  24. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

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  25. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

  26. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

  27. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

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  28. Vintage Paw

    Vintage Paw dead stare and computer glare

    Some of the twitter responses to their latest wishlist were great.

    "What is this? An armed militia takeover of the government or a wedding registry?"

    "Instead of occupying an abandoned log cabin they should have taken over a Walmart."
     
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  29. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced

  30. Dowie

    Dowie Well-Known Member

    right wing types tend to support them when it is some black guy getting 25 years for a bit of weed... but when it is one of their own getting 5 years for deliberately burning hundreds of acres all hell breaks loose...
     
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