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Netherlands v Argentina (Semi Final) Wednesday 9th July 2014

This. I thought both Mascherano and Vlaar were as good as any individual German performance from the previous night's Semi Final. I liked the contrast between this semi final and Germany's mauling of Brazil.

Wonder how much interest Aston Villa will get for Ron Vlaar now?
 
Van Gaal is saying two Dutch players refused to take the first penalty. Last game notwithstanding, Holland's shoot out record is worse than England's and I doubt they enjoy the prospect of them.
So, is Alex Sabella the first Bramall Lane cult hero to coach a team to the final?
A third Germany - Argentina final. One all so far...
After the Dutch keeper's antics during the QF shoot-out, this feels like poetic justice tbh. Fuck him.
 
The ball is dead in a shoot out when the referee rules it to be so, usually when a goal cannot be scored from the initial momentum imparted by the taker.
In the France v Brazil quarter final shoot out in 1986, Bruno Bellone's penalty was scored after it struck the bar and rebounded in off Carlos' back. Bit controversial and certainly wouldn't have been given by some refs (in Italy in particular I believe)
In this instance it didn't cross the line anyway
 
This is the FIFA ruling:

"A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper.

The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball’s motion is the result of the initial kick."

So it would have counted if it had crossed the line.
 
This is the FIFA ruling:

"A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper.

The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball’s motion is the result of the initial kick."

So it would have counted if it had crossed the line.
Only if the referee said so ;)
 
This is the FIFA ruling:

"A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper.

The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball’s motion is the result of the initial kick."

So it would have counted if it had crossed the line.

Not really, the ball's motion was because the keeper had hit it rather than from the initial kick.
 
I really don't get what all this interwebs bullshit about the pen is about. The whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line. It didn't. Everything else is irrelevant.

Stupid interwebs wank.
 
Not really, the ball's motion was because the keeper had hit it rather than from the initial kick.
not so, it was in motion because the kicker kicker it, the goalies action only came from that, so it would still have been the initial kick. if it had crossed the line. which it didn't
 
Not really, the ball's motion was because the keeper had hit it rather than from the initial kick.
And that's the grey area. If it deflects straight in off the keeper, it's a goal. If something odd happens like this then it's reasonable to ask whether the goalie's intervention overrides the initial kick.
 
not so, it was in motion because the kicker kicker it, the goalies action only came from that, so it would still have been the initial kick. if it had crossed the line. which it didn't

And the result of the goalie's "action" overrides the result of the initial kick :thumbs:
 
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