netflix: Altered Carbon

Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by DotCommunist, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    Is there a word for dialogue that is unrealistic, often overly dramatic or portentous, often spoken with a self-conscious air of 'this is a cool line' because you can't actually properly act such absurd dialogue? I need a word for this thing that ruins many tv series for me and that I suspect on the evidence of this trailer will ruin this one.
     
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  2. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    I've read it a few times. Which is a mixed blessing as my expectations may be to high. And may be one of those annoying people who say, "it was different in the book"
     
  3. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    2nd season already commissioned, considering the expense of the show that's got to be a positive sign of how Netflix views the 1st season.

    Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood
     
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  4. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Released on Netflix tomorrow (Friday 2nd Feb)

    Currently reading The Steel Remains but it's so different it hasn't really worked as a warm up.
     
  5. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    Reviews are in, mixed bag. The daily express call it 'style over substance' but given that particular boil on the arse of journalism has no frame of reference to talk about style or substance, I think we can safely ignore that review
     
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  6. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    I gave up on reviews, I've already decided it'll be great.
     
  7. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    It's the Guardian review that will determine if I watch at prime time on the sofa or on my tod when I can fit it in.
     
  8. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    graub:'Flashy, flawed and fun'

    I'll not read more than the headline, I dislike obo/graun newspaper art criticism as much as the daily wail/express but for markedly different reasons.

    I'm going the ringo way, it'll be ace and fuck the reviewers
     
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  9. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    I've started that book about 4 times and just can't get into it. I like the protagonist, but I struggle to get a sense of who each character is in relation to others and the general geography of the world.

    Morgan needs to get back on Sci-Fi, Black Man was a great book.
     
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  10. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    Just watched the 1st ep (Netflix have made it downloadable too, which is handy).

    Closer to the book than I was expecting, with just the right amount of violence, sleaze and mystery.

    Dialogue is a bit cookie-cutter and Kinnaman is one of those actors who can be great or awful, so far I'm not sure about which he's doing here.

    Def enough to keep me interested, the visuals are good (although a little less slow-motion wouldn't hurt unless necessary).
     
  11. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    I had to get rid of netflix in a post-xmas belt tightening exercise but the whole series is already available on the naughty sites, so thats nice.
     
  12. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    I'm up to episode 9 (its been a slack day) and... well its starting to creak a little I think. Its got great production values and it drags you along but, well the acting and the characters start to suffer as it goes on.
     
  13. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Driving without headlights

    Yes but I can't think what that word is :oops:
     
  14. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Flawed flashy fun sums up altered carbon perfectly one urbanite described morgan as space mcnabb:mad:.

    At least he didnt get his patrol fucked up by being a moron.
     
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  15. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

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  16. Horus Snacks

    Horus Snacks Banned Banned

    Exposition talk is...a bit annoying.

    Looking forward to the sex scene though :O
     
  17. D'wards

    D'wards I'm an excellent driver

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  18. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    Half Japanese wasnt he?
     
  19. Horus Snacks

    Horus Snacks Banned Banned

    As ridiculous as it may sound, that is kinda what happens. It may be explained in the narrative and in terms of the setting but still that's what's presented to the viewer who lives in the real world where white men have power.

    And all the futuristic nightlcubs have neon kanji and nudey girls lapdancing etc etc and mrs bancroft is a femme fatale. it deals in cliche - perhaps deliberately.

    Now having said that I'm not sure that, in the case of this story, that argument is strong enough because sleeving is such a major part of the fiction
     
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  20. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    I enjoyed the first episode, but it must be a shiny incoherent mess to people who don't know the story.
    Surprised how faithful it is to the book so far - that hotel scene was much like I imagined it, but I watched it with someone who hadn't read the book and they didn't really understand what was going on.
    It's also very mumbly, with lots of exposition in the dialogue, so subtitles are mandatory.
     
  21. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    I've been playing so much New Vegas Fallout that the hotel/AI gun scene made me think of a shootout in the New Vegas casinos

    liking so far.
     
  22. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    The hotel guy is honestly the best thing in the series.
     
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  23. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Channelling Vincent Price in an Edgar Allan Poe themed hotel was a nice touch
     
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  24. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Driving without headlights

    It doesn't make much sense and there's too much exposition. That scene with the hologram in the resleeving place explaining basically the whole premise of the story was a bit much.

    I don't buy the whole blade runner megacity thing either. In the book Bay City is depopulated, half abandoned. It's all too close and gloomy IMO.

    And who the hell is Dichen Lachman supposed to be?
     
  25. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Yeah, why do all futuristic cityscapes have to look like Blade Runner?
     
  26. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    cyber punk aesthetic. Everyones been ripping off bladerunner since, well bladerunner. when reading descriptions in nueromancer my heads subconsciously painting it in bladerunner clothes
     
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  27. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    It annoyed me a bit, but then I'm familiar with the books so it was either repeating stuff I knew or changing certain details, whereas a new viewer may find it useful
    Erm, she literally calls Kovaczs 'big brother' , so perhaps not enough exposition for you ;)
     
  28. Horus Snacks

    Horus Snacks Banned Banned

    It's always better shown and not told. The scene with the kid in the old woman's body was more impactful. It didn't really bother me though. Just wasn't terribly well written. But i don't expect miracles from my SF tv. I'm just glad SF tv exists.
     
  29. Thimble Queen

    Thimble Queen Angry brown femme ^_^

    Enjoying this. A lot.
     
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  30. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    Why aren't I enjoying this?

    Think I'll stop at end of this episode (3) and start with these 'books' to which others refer.
     

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