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Netanyahu pushes to define Israel as 'state for Jewish people only'

Yeah as bad as the Tories are, arguing that the UK's domestic policies are anywhere near as bad as those of Israel is absolutely insane. I don't think Tim was arguing that though, just that we've given money to worse regimes and acted that way during the empire tho...
 
frogwoman said:
Yeah as bad as the Tories are, arguing that the UK's domestic policies are anywhere near as bad as those of Israel is absolutely insane. I don't think Tim was arguing that though, just that we've given money to worse regimes and acted that way during the empire tho...
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'major farran's hat' for example
the penal laws in ireland. to hell or connaught. the famine of the 1840s - not to mention the other crop failures eg 1879-80. the special powers act in the six counties, henrik verwoerd said he'd scrap all his repressive legislation for one clause of the spa Hendrik Verwoerd - Wikipedia
 
Pickman's model said:
'major farran's hat' for example
the penal laws in ireland. to hell or connaught. the famine of the 1840s - not to mention the other crop failures eg 1879-80. the special powers act in the six counties, henrik verwoerd said he'd scrap all his repressive legislation for one clause of the spa Hendrik Verwoerd - Wikipedia
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Yeah, I don’t remember anything as bad as what's happened to Gaza in the six counties' recent history tho, as bad as the UK government have been tho
 
Fair point, I didnt mean to imply otherwise
tim said:
I think it can be argued that Israel is no more thuggish than a lot of criminal regimes that we deal with and that the British state is also not averse to acts of thuggery.
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frogwoman said:
Yeah, I don’t remember anything as bad as what's happened to Gaza in the six counties' recent history tho, as bad as the UK government have been tho
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the british have a long and voluminous list of repressive measures from which so many countries, including the zionist entity, have drawn inspiration
 
Pickman's model said:
the british have a long and voluminous list of repressive measures from which so many countries, including the zionist entity, have drawn inspiration
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Sure, in the 6 counties, as bad as its been, there's nothing like what has happened in Israel in recent history tho. I can't remember the last time there was a cast lead type situation in Belfast for instance
 
frogwoman said:
Sure, in the 6 counties, as bad as its been, there's nothing like what has happened in Israel in recent history tho. I can't remember the last time there was a cast lead type situation in Belfast for instance
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i don't know what you mean by recent history, which for me would be over the past century - effectively since the creation of the statelet. but as is often pointed out history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes and the array of repressive measures created by the british in ireland - and transported to palestine by the many former members of the ric etc who transferred to the mandatory police - find some of their rhymes today in gaza and the west bank. obvs not everything derives from the british: the zionists have managed some innovations of their own.
 
I'm not even sure you can call this lot zionist any more tbh. Zionism was always about emphasising Israel as the 'nation state of the Jewish people'. The Israeli government have made it quite clear they explicitly don't give a shit about the diaspora. To the extent of cosying up to Orban and various antisemitic Republicans because they don't like Palestinians, and anything to do with minorities rights is 'woke' anyway. That sort of stuff has always happened on a small scale but now it's very much openly part of their doctrine.
 
Pickman's model said:
i don't know what you mean by recent history, which for me would be over the past century - effectively since the creation of the statelet. but as is often pointed out history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes and the array of repressive measures created by the british in ireland - and transported to palestine by the many former members of the ric etc who transferred to the mandatory police - find some of their rhymes today in gaza and the west bank. obvs not everything derives from the british: the zionists have managed some innovations of their own.
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The repressive measures were deployed in much the same way and in parallel in both Palestine and Ireland.

The divide and rule policy adopted in the North of Ireland in the 1920s and 1930s was the same policy adopted by the the British in Transjordan, Palestine, Iraq and, I assume, Cyprus. It was the same approach taken by the French in Syria , Algeria and Lebanon. Favour certain ethnic or religious groups over others, particularly in the military but make sure nobody is too powerful. Also wherever possible draw borders in a way that ensures there is no clearly identifiable group with a substantial demographic majority.
 
I was referring to the post war period.

Something like 232 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces last year, I know about the history of the British in Northern Ireland but nothing anywhere near that scale has happened there for a very long time.
 
frogwoman said:
I was referring to the post war period.

Something like 232 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces last year, I know about the history of the British in Northern Ireland but nothing anywhere near that scale has happened there for a very long time.
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Yes, but well within the life time and memory of half the people posting on this thread.
 
According to Wikipedia something like 3500 people died during the entirety of the troubles, but it's nothing like Israel and Palestine where over 21000 people have been killed since 1965 (and probably much more than that by now). What happened in Ireland was horrific but surely you can see what the Israeli government have done, and continue to do, is several orders of magnitude worse, and this has long been the case.
 
frogwoman said:
According to Wikipedia something like 3500 people died during the entirety of the troubles, but it's nothing like Israel and Palestine where over 21000 people have been killed since 1965 (and probably much more than that by now). What happened in Ireland was horrific but surely you can see what the Israeli government have done, and continue to do, is several orders of magnitude worse, and this has long been the case.
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I don't think anyone here would deny that, but I think it is useful to draw a parallel. The other thing to bear in mind is, as I hinted above, Israel is not that different from other states in the area. Syria was created by the French as an Alawite-dominated state and over the last decade, hundreds of thousands have died or been displaced to maintain that status quo.

Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as Asaad, Erdogan, Mohammed bin Salman, and Putin. I'm not impressed by either those who think the Israelis or the "Zionists" are wicked Western colonists or those who see them as embattled heroic people facing an onslaught from the Arab hordes.
 
tim said:
I don't think anyone here would deny that, but I think it is useful to draw a parallel. The other thing to bear in mind is, as I hinted above, Israel is not that different from other states in the area. Syria was created by the French as an Alawite-dominated state and over the last decade, hundreds of thousands have died or been displaced to maintain that status quo.

Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as Asaad, Erdogan, Mohammed bin Salman, and Putin. I'm not impressed by either those who think the Israelis or the "Zionists" are wicked Western colonists or those who see them as embattled heroic people facing an onslaught from the Arab hordes.
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Yep.
 
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Anyone been watching the protests and violent fascist crackdown in Israel atm. The settler that Netanyahu has appointed as his finance minister just said that the town settlers rampaged through a couple of nights ago should be wiped off the map.

Really scary shit.
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Read that an IDF colonel had described the settlers' actions as like a pogrom!
 
There's a power struggle between the old guard of IDF and the openly fascist thugs that Netanyahu has brought in, including a 'security minister' whose been in jail for hate crimes, quite some achievement in Israel at all
 
ska invita said:
There's something incredible about how Israel as a state was born to correct an injustice of fascism, and is now in itself becoming a full fascist state
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Its grim but sadly I don't think it's that incredible tbh. Russia and Serbia both had versions of this :(
 
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