Nazis invited to the Palace

[Meltingpot]

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[butchersapron]

Tyndall was a Nazi though and through. He was just more aware of what this meant to the public in the 2 or 3 immediate post-war decades than Colin Jordan.

 

[Azrael]

Tyndall probably was a Nazi-worshipper. Now he's dead and buried, it's thankfully academic. I think he went well beyond old-fashioned imperialist Toryism. (I doubt he'd have been too fond of Benjamin Disraeli for a start.)

Mr Griffin does pretend to be far more moderate than he is, and is acting a lot smarter than the boot-boy impression he gave in the 1997 clips. But his recent distinction between "legal citizenship" and "racial citizenship", and that well-hidden clause in the BNP's manifesto about kindred European stock, show beyond doubt that it's all window dressing.

 

[belboid]

Except that the "inherent privilege" is powerless, widely supported, and not based on racial purity.

say that to the princess killed for being pregnant to a muslim!

 

[Azrael]

say that to the princess killed for being pregnant to a muslim!

"Members of this supposed jury, it's a fugging conspiracy! Now excuse me, I must go make Fulham the Manchester United of the South."

 

[In Bloom]

Mr Griffin does pretend to be far more moderate than he is, and is acting a lot smarter than the boot-boy impression he gave in the 1997 clips. But his recent distinction between "legal citizenship" and "racial citizenship", and that well-hidden clause in the BNP's manifesto about kindred European stock, show beyond doubt that it's all window dressing.

Supposedly they changed that phrase in their constitution:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article400379.ece
At the same time the BNP has, following legal advice, changed its constitution to remove the bar on membership to people who were not “British or closely kindred European stock”. The new criteria states that membership is open to “indigenous folk community strands of our nation” such as Celtics, Anglo-Saxon, Norse and such like, “plus those fully integrated descendants of other European people who settled here so long ago that we feel comfortable that they are now effectively part of ‘us’”.

Though a quick google shows that the phrase is still used:

http://bnp.org[REMOVE THIS BIT TO MAKE THE LINK WORK].uk/how-to-help/if-you-live-overseas/
All ex-pat ‘Brits’ and those of closely kindred European stock are welcome as members wherever you live in the world.

 

[JHE]

...there can be no platform for Nazis.

No one should have platforms.

No one at all - not even the President of the French Republic.



(By the way, I've just learnt, from Newsnight's brief look at tomorrow's press, that the Daily Mail and Udo are as one on the Royal Garden Party Question.)

 

[Azrael]

Supposedly they changed that phrase in their constitution:

Though a quick google shows that the phrase is still used:

The Times say the BNP changing it because Trevor Phillips is threatening legal action. But it just makes the BNP look more moderate, which is surely counter-productive in the extreme.

Although if they do stick with "indigenous folk community strands of our nation" it's clear what they're about. Where do they come up with this nonsense? Their creepy euphemisms are even more disturbing than out-and-out racialism.

 

[In Bloom]

The Times say the BNP changing it because Trevor Phillips is threatening legal action. But it just makes the BNP look more moderate, which is surely counter-productive in the extreme.

Although if they do stick with "indigenous folk community strands of our nation" it's clear what they're about. Where do they come up with this nonsense? Their creepy euphemisms are even more disturbing than out-and-out racialism.

A lot of it seems to come from official multicultural discourse, the politics of fighting racism by providing racial "communities" with representatives, usually from among the more privileged sections of those communities, which feeds quite nicely into the BNP's idea of representing Britain's "indigenous folk".

Blood and soil politics with a postmodern gloss.

 

[Azrael]

Ah yes, the (often self-appointed) "community leaders". I have no problem with multiculturalism in the sense of diverse communities in the same nation, but have little time for its official form, which seems designed to create ghettos that sow the division the BNP thrive on. I'd prefer something closer to the USA's melting pot ideal, where a diverse people have cultural touchstones they can unite around.

 

[likesfish]

don't think the bnp should be banned thats never a good road.

mind you they desreve more publicity assullt rifles for everybody.
the plan to unite southern ireland with the uk.
comedy gold there stark staring mad

ignore the racism and they are insane

 

[Azrael]

don't think the bnp should be banned thats never a good road.

mind you they desreve more publicity assullt rifles for everybody.
the plan to unite southern ireland with the uk.
comedy gold there stark staring mad

ignore the racism and they are insane

Yep. Those are just two of the conservative arguments they've taken and caricatured.

There was an argument for keeping Ireland in the United Kingdom. It ceased being practical by end of the Great War. The current argument revovles around Ulster, nothing more.

There's also an argument that law-abiding people should be allowed to carry guns for self-defence (read any Sherlock Holmes novel, it used to be commonplace). The type of gun a sensible person would have in mind would be a revolver or something similar. Assault rifles are not defensive weapons, and are only introduced to fulfill macho fantasies.

 

[durruti02]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...een+hosts+BNP+chiefs+at+the+Palace/article.do

It looks like we will all be storming the palace in July. Just heard that the fuhrer of the BNP Nick Griffin & London Leader Richard Barnbrook will be attending a garden party at the Palace. While he might be able to swap racist jokes with Prince Phillip and probably shares a passion for dressing in Nazi uniforms with the younger son, this is bad news.

The Green Party comment is pretty fucking poor, Darren Johnson:
"It's their garden party and they can invite who they want. He is a member of the Assembly after all and it is essentially a political problem"

Griffin is a Nazi, there can be no platform for Nazis. The Greens shouldn't be saying 'he's a member of the Assembly afterall' they should be saying that he is a Nazi scumbag and issuing a call-to-arms to storm the palace!

We must resist any attempt to 'normalise' facists and nazis on the political scene.

so its normal that we have royalty? that all the MPS are crooks? that we have troops in Afghan ? that we just fought a imperialist war in Iraq etc etc .. but it is NOT normal the BNP get to go to Buck House even when they have been elected? and now lots of student lefties will have a slogan contest on the Mall?? brilliant ..

this is fluff .. forget it .. please DEAL WITH THE CAUSES

 

[durruti02]

They should not be a legitimate political party, they're a bunch of holocaust denying nazi cunts.

get off your internet then come to London and create a plotical alternative in places like Barking and Dagenham that takes away there votes then

 

[durruti02]

No, the SWP & the revolutionary left want to extend democracy, by replacing the market and bosses with workers democracy - crucial difference.

Under socialism, your workplace would be run democratically, under fascism society would become a barracks.

bit of a side issue but Lenin explicitily opposed 'democracy' as being an institution that only exists to service a class society .. so technically you are wrong

 

[Louis MacNeice]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...een+hosts+BNP+chiefs+at+the+Palace/article.do

It looks like we will all be storming the palace in July. Just heard that the fuhrer of the BNP Nick Griffin & London Leader Richard Barnbrook will be attending a garden party at the Palace. While he might be able to swap racist jokes with Prince Phillip and probably shares a passion for dressing in Nazi uniforms with the younger son, this is bad news.

The Green Party comment is pretty fucking poor, Darren Johnson:
"It's their garden party and they can invite who they want. He is a member of the Assembly after all and it is essentially a political problem"

Griffin is a Nazi, there can be no platform for Nazis. The Greens shouldn't be saying 'he's a member of the Assembly afterall' they should be saying that he is a Nazi scumbag and issuing a call-to-arms to storm the palace!

We must resist any attempt to 'normalise' facists and nazis on the political scene.

What are you actually suggesting people should do?

Louis MacNeice

 

[greenman]

Originally posted by Udo -
"The Greens........... should be........issuing a call-to-arms to storm the palace!

An alarming glimpse into the semper-1917 alternative universe inhabited by your average semper-"student radical" Swappy.

Have they rung Chris Knight for advice?

 

[belboid]

bit of a side issue but Lenin explicitily opposed 'democracy' as being an institution that only exists to service a class society .. so technically you are wrong

uhh, no, he opposed non-class specific formulations of 'democracy', and bourgeois democracy. He, like Marx, supported socialism being vastly more democratic than anything than had gone before. So, technically, you are wrong.

 

[butchersapron]

You backing Boris udo?

 

[Rod Sleeves]

This is an excellent opportunity, to point the BNP are just the same as all the rest, a photo of Griffin enjoying a chuckle with some chinless aristo would make a good point about him being just another toadying snout in the trough politico.

This is the sort of normalisation of the BNP I'd like to see.

 

[DotCommunist]

perfect photoshop opportunity

 

[pk]

We must resist any attempt to 'normalise' facists and nazis on the political scene.

Agreed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Defend the queen from the NAZI!
Defend Oxford University from the NAZI!

Is this the sort of pro-status quo anti-fascsim we've got today. (Plus, he he aren't the BNP thick and that).

Saddening, isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is this the best you can do Butchers?

I know that clever trendy fools don't like the BNP being called Nazis.

What a deeply incisive analysis.

Has it ever occurred to you, or the barrel of monkeys you're aligned with politically, that shouting "Nazi" at people who aren't visibly Nazi, and who in many cases have managed to cover up their neo-Nazi pasts successfully, makes you look stupid?
Attack them on contemporary issues and you might have a chance of winning hearts and minds.

One recalls the 1930s with the Daily Mail and various aristocrats hobnobbing with the fascists. I don't care less about the Queen (indeed I'm against her) the point is that the BNP crave respectability and to get into the mainstream & bond with the establishment, as part of building a mass movement for fascism.

Yes, fascism, NOT Nazism. The two ARE NOT synonymous, except perhaps in the minds of fools.

The BNP would love to be able to organise on campuses across Britain and to be able to have meetings in town centres & do stalls to build a mass fascist organisation in Britain, the reason they can't is because anti-fascists have organised.

There is nothing pro-status quo about it.

Do you think that shouting "Nazi" does anything worth a damn in actually stopping the BNP either spreading their message or in shifting the political discourse in the UK toward acceptance of their message as "mainstream"? I don't. It hasn't worked for at least the last ten years, as I'm sure you well know.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not really, I saw storming the palace as an opportunity to kill two birds in one stone, uniting anti-fash and anti-monarchists in one monster mobilisation.

Storming the palace?
You utter arse!
Great way to get a load of activists injured and killed, that, having a highly visible (and likely to be highly-policed) group of "malcontents" assaulting the symbolic heart of the establishment, and a place where the military guard as well as the policemen have live ammunition loaded too!

Mind you, you have just proposed something that could well result in the extinction of the dire UAF, so perhaps it's not all bad...

You should stop trying to be cleverer-than-thou and maybe make more constructive suggestions about action. But praxis was never your strong point, eh?

Perhaps he's not being cleverer-than-thou, perhaps he simply sees beyond the constraints you party people impose on yourselves.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not since the Great War. Given that the Queen served in the ATS during the Second World War, I doubt she'll be overcome with friendship to Mr Griffin if he does admire National Socialism.

Depends how much Mosleyism she imbibed with her mother's milk (metaphorically, of course, old lady Bowes-Lyon would never have done anything as vulgar as breast-feed her own child!), I suspect.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What are you actually suggesting people should do?

Louis MacNeice

Storm the palace and be slaughtered by 4 companies of Foot Guards, a company of Horse Guards, and a couple of dozen (minimum) armed police officers.

Still, perhaps (for Udo), this is all about setting the scene for revolution, so that his comrades in the vanguard can step forward and offer their skill at governance to the masses who will rise up to avenge their fallen brethren.

 

[DotCommunist]

I hope the Queen washes her hand after shaking Griffins. We know he's a dead eyed chronic masturbator. Also, someone should warn her that he'll be storing up her image in the Bank

 

[butchersapron]

An amazing quote on this from Michael White, one of the Guardians chief political writers, that just perfectly sums up the contempt that the political class feel about the electorate:

We'll have to live with it until voters get the message: whatever the problem the BNP is not the answer

 

[ViolentPanda]

An amazing quote on this from Michael White, one of the Guardians chief political writers, that just perfectly sums up the contempt that the political class feel about the electorate:

Contemptuous and lazy.