Nazis invited to the Palace
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Udo Erasmus
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Details of Griffin's holocaust denial in print and on TV can be found in his wikipedia entry here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#Anti-Semitism_and_Holocaust_denial
Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting
Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report
Nick Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#Anti-Semitism_and_Holocaust_denial
Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting
Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report
Nick Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kill two birds with one stone my arse - you mean defend our native traditions such as the monarchy from the beastly NAZIS. Clueless, hopeless, totally missing the opportunity (in fact not even understanding what the opportunity means), hysterical ranting. The exact same as the Oxford University palaver. Holocaust hoplocaust holocaust - hasn;'t it sunk in that they have effectively neutralised that topic for all but the pro-status quo anti-bnp types like you? It's made no impact whatsoever over the last decade aprt from on those who would never vote BNP anyway - and the fact it's trotted out as almost the sole tactic during this election exposes the political bankruptcy at the heart of this sort of liberal anti-fascism.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
He could have said that but he would have looked like a patronising berk.
Udo Erasmus
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When have I ever defended 'our' native traditions on here, comrade Strawman? In fact, I have staunchly opposed nationalism whether of the British or Welsh variety.
I don't really get your Oxford University references. The BNP were making a drive to get university meetings up and running being invited to Oxford and Bath University. Wouldn't it be great if they could have student societies and organise groups on campuses up and down the land? No. Trade unionists, students, punters, workers organised to make sure that such happenings wouldn't go unchallenged.
Exposing the BNP as Nazis will ALWAYS be a key component of any anti-fascist strategy, of course dealing with the rats also necessitates action on the sewers where they breed, for example challenging nationalism, scapegoating of immigrants, building working class autonomy etc.
But the trendy idea that you shouldn't call the BNP fascists or Nazis is just pap.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
So honest! Mr Griffin's wised up a lot since 1997.
The whole clip is a time warp. I note the Cook Report made a lazy call for "tighter anti-racist legislation" at the end. Legislate a problem out of existence. We've now got more anti-racist legislation, yet it's done nothing to halt the rise of Mr Griffin's odious party. Which you'd think would tell the complacent media types that passing oppressive laws doesn't work.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Revolutionaries demanding that a better type of person attends the Queens garden parties during the biggest constitutional crisis for 95 years - itself in the middle of the biggest economic crisis for 80 years, polticians universally despised, non-mainstream parties threatening a massive shock in the june elections - brilliant, just brilliant 
Udo Erasmus
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Revolutionaries demanding that a better type of person attends the Queens garden parties during the biggest constitutional crisis for 95 years - itself in the middle of the biggest economic crisis for 80 years, polticians universally despised, non-mainstream parties threatening a massive shock in the june elections - brilliant, just brilliant
Here you are making a more coherent point that I can agree with the sentiments mostly. I would argue that any grassroots mobilisation against Nick Griffin and the Queen would flow in an anti-establishment direction. Your misunderstanding is thinking that I disagree with you.
Butchers it might seem trivial, but the Queen is supposed to represent the country as a whole, she's our head of state, and not play host to a nasty little extremist party.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bollocks to that - she's part of the same system. This nonsense is a call to defend the Queen and the sysytem from some sort of attack from another part of that same system. Effectively, to defend the system. Fuck that - make him meet the queen, and Brown and Blair and Cameron and the pope and every other slimy fucker.
kained&able
Here for the football.
and if the bnp het voted for then they unfortunatly do represent part of the country as whole.
It's lame.
dave
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Capitalism currently via representative democracy in a limited monarchy. Both on the same side.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I doubt Mr Griffin cares less about capitalism, unless it helps him to forward racial purity. He's only part of the system in the same way that anyone who participates in representative democracy is. I doesn't mean he's on the same side. Side suggests common objectives, and I doubt Mr Griffin has much in common with the Queen.
Come to think of it I doubt the Queen's too fussed about capitalism either. Benevolent feudalism is probably more her thing.
Come to think of it I doubt the Queen's too fussed about capitalism either. Benevolent feudalism is probably more her thing.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
except for the love of 'inherent' privilege, of inherited wealth and power, and belief in blood and soil
two pea's in a pod
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's right -the monarchy has nothing in common with people who defend the current system - which is exactly what the BNP do by diverting anger over social issues into racial diversions, effectively blocking the development of class based politics by colonising and nromalising their politics and that racially divisive approach amongst large sections of the population. She hates that shit.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
uhh, are you saying they are a 'trope'? or are you contradicting yourself a tad.
I really couldn't give a fuck about who gets invited to such shite as royal garden parites, the fact that these scum have should be used as an attack on the monarchy and all it stands for. it isnt a surprise, and it'll be done again, and worse.
just bomb the fucking place when they're there
kained&able
Here for the football.
im saying enough twats vote for them for them to represent a proprotion of the country and as such have earned the right to go political shindigs at the palace for some champers.
Gov needs to step up and ban them for inciting racial hatred but until that happens i would be very very against them being treated any differently from any other political party.
part of a whole? whats wrong with that?
dave
Gov needs to step up and ban them for inciting racial hatred but until that happens i would be very very against them being treated any differently from any other political party.
part of a whole? whats wrong with that?
dave
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's just not what you actually said. of course anything can be part of a whole but somethgng as a whole doesn't have parts, unless the part represents the whole.
It's a purely smart arse and irrelevant point
tho the fact that some cunts elected them doesn't mean they should be given free reign to say they represent anyone but themselves
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Why leave it aside?
The guy on the left is John tyndale the founder of the BNP and up to the time of his death a close colleague of Griffin.
Looks like a real nazi to me, what does he look like to you? These people should be mocked and humiliated at every opportunity and those like you with your absurd namby-pamby political correctness "leaving aside...." who go alongwith there attempts to become respectable deserve the same. \Afterall, given the chance, they'd have us, even conservative types like you, shipped of to the camps
kained&able
Here for the football.
eh? isn't that precisly the premise of an election?
The big x by thier name means i choose this person to represnet my intrests.
dave
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
That shit is racial bigotry, not a dislike of revolutionary politics. I'm unaware of the Queen expressing racialist opinions.
Except that the "inherent privilege" is powerless, widely supported, and not based on racial purity.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Lots of people in London want racist filth to represent them. Like FridgeMagnet says, this isnt the biggest problem with the scum having a seat on the MLA. As for nazis at the palace, Barnbrook will just be continuing a tradition going back quite some time.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
A man with a curious fetish for uniforms.
This must be the first time I've been accused of political correctness.
I was referring to Nicholas Griffin, not John Tyndall. Since Tyndall is dead, I'm free to call him a Nazi to my heart's content. It's been established in a criminal court that Mr Griffin is a racial bigot, so I've no problem with calling him one until he publicly recants. It's also been established that he's a Holocaust denier, so I'll be sure to call him that as well in future. Surely that's bad enough: racial bigotry is as far from respectable as fascism.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Again, he simply neutralises the issue by saying that he's changed his opnion on the Holocaust. That he was young and hadn't come across the full historical record etc
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