Nazi Motivation

[Johnny Canuck3]

Invading Poland was a flimsily-disguised plan but Hitler did give an explanation – devious, as it might have been.

You have to look at what Poland did at the end of WW1.

 

[isitme]

Was it not that the early invasions were very consistent with the Third Reich's aims of reclaiming 'lost territory' and gaining liebenstraumm whereas the war with the Soviets was wartime 'tactics'

If they had managed to take Russia, which they very nearly did, they would have had an empire that America could not have beaten militarily, especially with Japan as an ally

That's my take anyway

 

[Y_I_Otter]

I've always held to the opinion that the early "sucesses" of the Nazi regime were paid for by disenfranchising, and stealing from, a wealthy and influential segment of their citizenry.

When further internal plunder began to prove no longer viable, the Nazis deployed their now greatly expanded and upgraded military to plunder their neighbours, in the name of Lebensraum and protecting greater Germany from the twin evils of "Jewish" Communism and miscegenation with the "Barbarian Races".

 

[Madusa]

Nazi Motivation?

Wandering round Autwitz, the museum now, you get to thinking and asking yourself all these humanistic questions. Going back to basics...''If I was a member of the ''Aryan race told by the media and by this great ''Führer'' '' led to believe that alliminating all the jews and all the 'burdens' of german society would make life for me and my family like paradise'' would I, could I pull the gas trigger on the canister of zyclon b...?

Fucking Hell.

 

[isitme]

Nazi Motivation?

Wandering round Autwitz, the museum now, you get to thinking and asking yourself all these humanistic questions. Going back to basics...''If I was a member of the ''Aryan race told by the media and by this great ''Führer'' '' led to believe that alliminating all the jews and all the 'burdens' of german society would make life for me and my family like paradise'' would I, could I pull the gas trigger on the canister of zyclon b...?

Fucking Hell.

I think it was more a case of 'would you put your family at risk by standing up for your beliefs if a complete nutcase seized control of your country?' I don't think I would, I don't bother standing up for what I believe in on any meaningful level even without any fear of reprisal

 

[Madusa]

I think it was more a case of 'would you put your family at risk by standing up for your beliefs if a complete nutcase seized control of your country?' I don't think I would, I don't bother standing up for what I believe in on any meaningful level even without any fear of reprisal

I dont know. Wasn't he idolised mostly though? I mean, how the FUCK did he decome so powerful??

jesus! smileys just dont do it!!!!

 

[isitme]

I dont know. Wasn't he idolised mostly though? I mean, how the FUCK did he decome so powerful??

jesus! smileys just dont do it!!!!

You have to remember that what we know about Hitler is Nazi spin spun through our media's spin. I've read that Hitler didn't really know what was going on half the time with the running of the country, he was just an incredibly good 'figurehead'

But I always think that when Princess Diana died and they switched off all the TV channels for the weekend is about as close as we can imagine to living under that sort of regime (ok, they weren't asking us to go and smash our neighbours shops up, but there were a lot of people went along with this collective illusion....)

 

[Madusa]

You have to remember that what we know about Hitler is Nazi spin spun through our media's spin. I've read that Hitler didn't really know what was going on half the time with the running of the country, he was just an incredibly good 'figurehead'

But I always think that when Princess Diana died and they switched off all the TV channels for the weekend is about as close as we can imagine to living under that sort of regime (ok, they weren't asking us to go and smash our neighbours shops up, but there were a lot of people went along with this collective illusion....)

Indeed they did but WHY, goddamit??! If we can look back now and say ''oh shit, that was some bad...\i'm not sure why it's going down..'' Why couldnt they? Just like now - are future heads going to turn round and spot and herald our wrong doings up like this...err yes. Are they going to try and figure out how we made those mistakes? Probably yes.

What I'm trying to get at is how the fuck is it possible? Crazy.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Indeed they did but WHY, goddamit??! If we can look back now and say ''oh shit, that was some bad...\i'm not sure why it's going down..'' Why couldnt they? Just like now - are future heads going to turn round and spot and herald our wrong doings up like this...err yes. Are they going to try and figure out how we made those mistakes? Probably yes.

What I'm trying to get at is how the fuck is it possible? Crazy.

Hitler was a powerful and mezmerizing ex tempore speaker. He could win over crowds right from the beginning, and the message he delivered was exactly what the people wanted to hear.

As for something bad going down, a lot bad was going down even before Hitler got there, including various coups to take control of the govt, not to mention an anti communist/socialist civil war occurring shortly after the end of WW1.

 

[Detroit City]

surely as a master race nutjob, he saw it as his right, if not the moral imperative and destiny of the germanic people to dominate the inferior nieghbours and resources were a secondary thing?

yea but DC1....do not the Jews and Zionist feel the same way? They are basically carrying on the Nazi methodology albeit in a different part of the world.

They call themselves the "chosen people" and feel superior to everyone else

Whats the difference between the Nazis and Israel/Zionism/Judiasm?? Ahh....the represee becomes the repressor

 

[cesare]

yea but DC1....do not the Jews and Zionist feel the same way? They are basically carrying on the Nazi methodology albeit in a different part of the world.

They call themselves the "chosen people" and feel superior to everyone else

Whats the difference between the Nazis and Israel/Zionism/Judiasm?? Ahh....the represee becomes the repressor

You're seriously suggesting that the Jews in Israel are carrying out a mass extermination pogrom?

 

[Andy the Don]

Hitler invaded Norway to secure raw materials the Nazi war machine needed. Controlling Norway also allowed to Nazis to control access to the Arctic. The Western campaign of Spring 1940 was to secure Germany's western boarders as well as some unfinished business with French. The invasion of Greece and the Balkans was to secure Germany's main oil supplies in Roumania and lines of communication to the east.

 

[Meltingpot]

I've always held to the opinion that the early "sucesses" of the Nazi regime were paid for by disenfranchising, and stealing from, a wealthy and influential segment of their citizenry.

When further internal plunder began to prove no longer viable, the Nazis deployed their now greatly expanded and upgraded military to plunder their neighbours, in the name of Lebensraum and protecting greater Germany from the twin evils of "Jewish" Communism and miscegenation with the "Barbarian Races".

Probably true, but Hitler also benefited in the '30s from heavy inward investment from wealthy non-Germans such as Prescott S. Bush (Dubya's grandfather) who thought his regime was a bulwark against Communism in Europe.

 

[Jonti]

You're seriously suggesting that the Jews in Israel are carrying out a mass extermination pogrom?

He didn't exactly say that, though, did he? He finds similarities in the methodology ... and there are plenty ...

Overall, the Zionist forces uprooted more than half Palestine's population, 800,000 people, destroyed 531 villages and emptied eleven urban neighbourhoods of their inhabitants. Pappe concludes that this was "a clear-cut case of an ethnic cleansing operation, regarded under international law today as a crime against humanity."

The above is from a review of Ilan Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", here.

 

[DotCommunist]

yea but DC1....do not the Jews and Zionist feel the same way? They are basically carrying on the Nazi methodology albeit in a different part of the world.

They call themselves the "chosen people" and feel superior to everyone else

Whats the difference between the Nazis and Israel/Zionism/Judiasm?? Ahh....the represee becomes the repressor

I'm not touching that with a fucking bargepole

 

[Jonti]

Is it 'cos you might end up feeling the need to kill Detroit City or expel from his homeland?

 

[camouflage]

yea but DC1....do not the Jews and Zionist feel the same way? They are basically carrying on the Nazi methodology albeit in a different part of the world.

They call themselves the "chosen people" and feel superior to everyone else

Whats the difference between the Nazis and Israel/Zionism/Judiasm?? Ahh....the represee becomes the repressor

I heard somewhere that the people that developed the Aryan super-race idea were actually inspired by the concept of 'Gods Chosen People'.

At the end of the day this can be dismissed as yet another example of religion being a bad influence all round in my opinion. In their thousands of years of existance a jewish state has only once tried to off whole groups of people, and the first time was Biblical, and the perpetrators only did that because Old Testament God said to do so (don't wanna cross that old bastard).

These days, the whole Isreal thing is more about Western colonialism anyway. The modern state of Isreal's come a long way from it's initial socialist leanings, now it's a bevy or arms manufacturers so tied up with Washington concensus war-mongering and 'defense' industry contract tendering many people can't decide if Washington is secretly controlled by Isreal or if Isreal is the right hand of Washington. Is there really a difference?

 

[Dhimmi]

But what about Holland, Belgium, Denmark and Norway? Did he even bother giving any excuse for marching into those countries?

Well Holland and Belgium were a convenient route in avoiding a much harder fight. The Dutch fascist parties typically supported the German invasion and Anton Mussert and his NSB even starred in a Goebbels production declaring they feared the Allies and not the Germans. So it was dressed up as uniting Aryans across Europe against British and French imperialism.

Similar convenient stories were concocted for all these invasions, backed up in film and print, with many of them still believed, by some, today.

If you want a very informative answer try asking this question at; www.ww2f.com

 

[Dhimmi]

They are basically carrying on the Nazi methodology albeit in a different part of the world.

A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing.

 

[pk]

Probably true, but Hitler also benefited in the '30s from heavy inward investment from wealthy non-Germans such as Prescott S. Bush (Dubya's grandfather) who thought his regime was a bulwark against Communism in Europe.

And to this day the Bush family are benefiting from the cozy deals that carried on throughout the war...