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National Shop Stewards Conference - Saturday 28th

Sorry I missed you durutti, I tried to call but your phone was off.

I heard Jack Heyman at the PR event and he was very inspiring, as were the other dockers who came with him.

I agree that the NSSN has real potential but it has to start doing practical stuff and not be afraid to take on the bureaucrats and do stuff without their backing if necessary.
 
but there WERE 300 ( 200 delegates and 100 observers ) activists most of who were elected reps i.e shop stewards or branch officials,

I wonder how many of them were actually elected - I:E; not just "elected unnopposed" - which does not equate to "elected by 100% of the vote".
 
Managed to catch the end of the NSSN, seemed to be relatively positive.
Did'nt see or hear of SWP being sectarian, there were couple of relatively influential PCS reps from the SWP there who came across as quite positive.
Hopefully this could be something succesfull and victorious for Left/Socialist Trade Unionists et. al. in the coming battles.

I know its not part of this thread, but how did the CNWP meeting go? Bit pissed off I could'nt make it.
 
I wonder how many of them were actually elected - I:E; not just "elected unnopposed" - which does not equate to "elected by 100% of the vote".

judging from those i knew there .. manual worker shop reps in hackney, haringay and waltham forest, and the good number of people i spoke to from postal worker branchs, distribution centres etc, i would say most .. i suspect some are bogus .. but few .. you should have come along .. this was overwhelmingly a meeting of ordianry bods doing good work with few illusions as to what confronts us/them .. you cyniscism is misplaced
 
oh just fuck off. stop pretending to be interested, nothing anyone says could convince you of anything other than what you want to believe. you're a waste of time and space#

Kill yourself, now.
 
stop pretending to be interested, nothing anyone says could convince you of anything other than what you want to believe.

No, I'm just asking the sticky, awkward questions that need asking about where we actually are as opposed to where we'd like to be.
 
liar, you're just preparing your excuses to scab yourself

No. As I keep on saying, I don't scab and never will - even though everyone else does. I just get sick of seeing the vast majority of the workforce scabbing and merrily prancing into work on strike days.

How many times do I have to reiterate that point before it sinks in?
 
yes you will.
Why will I? The fact is I haven't and won't - as you well know. You're just clutching at straws because you have NO answer to the issue of majority-scabbing other than to post drivel like you have above, insulting the bearer of the bad news.

Like a child that simply refuses to accept that father christmas doesn't exist.
 
because of everything you write. you are CONSTANTLY on here defending the attitude of scabs, and attacking those who try and organise strikes, belittling them and making shit up. like the bosses you are constantly claiming they are smaller and less successful than they are and that 'the vast majority' always cross picket lines. you come up with exactly the same arguments of those scabs abd bosses you claim to despise.

that is why nothing you say is of value.

now, fuck off.
 
Durruti02

Thanks for that report. It sounded encouraging. It is good to hear that there are links forming between the activists on the ground in different unions. The TUC hierarchy has taken too much power to itself supported by the bureaucracies of the big unions who are themselves out of touch with members. The General Secretaries of some unions however might be open to persuasion about action if they know that ordinary members are ready and willing to support it.


I wonder how many of them were actually elected - I:E; not just "elected unnopposed" - which does not equate to "elected by 100% of the vote".

posternumbers

When I was a union rep I was often elected unopposed. It was usually by a small but properly convened quorate union meeting pubicised in advance. Should I have stood down and left members without a representative just because no-one else wanted the job? I wanted to be represented myself and would have happily voted for someone else. It is very time consuming being a rep and it doesn't help your own career prospects.
 
how did the CNWP thing go? Looking at the blog, and a few other comments elsewhere, it seems to be dead...


This do ya mate?

National Press Officer: Pete McLaren

NEW LEFT PARTY NOW MORE IMMININENT

Left Trade Union leaders and active socialists agree need to move forward is
more urgent
At the 3rd annual conference of the Campaign for a New Workers’ Party on
Sunday, hundreds of supporters attending were impressed with both a sprit of
left unity not seen for some time, and a commitment from two Trade Union
leaders to push forward the need for a new party to represent the working
class. There was unanimous agreement that Labour was no longer a party of
the working class, or socialist in any form, if it ever had been. A new
left party – a workers’ party – needed to be built
At the Discussion Forum on the way forward for the left in the morning, Bob
Crow, RMT General Secretary, suggested we needed the left and trade union
activists to unite around what we could agree on, and form an umbrella
organisation working towards a new socialist party to represent the working
class. PCS Vice President John McInally argued that trade unions should
call a conference in the autumn to discuss working class political
representation around key socialist issues. The Secretary of the Labour
Representation Committee, Simeon Andrews, made it clear, that in his view,
the Labour Party was finished as a socialist or working class organisation,
and that therefore it was vital to build a new left unity. That was why the
LRC would be attending the meeting called by the Socialist Alliance on Left
Unity on July 5, and the Manchester Convention of the Left in September, he
added. CNWP National Chair Dave Nellist argued we needed to build a new
working class party for the millions, not the millionaires Labour coveted.
National Executive Members from Respect, the Socialist Party, the CNWP,
Walsall Democratic Labour Party, and the Alliance for Green Socialism also
addressed the Discussion Forum. They stressed the need for a new united,
broad, democratic, socialist party. As CNWP spokesperson Pete McLaren
states “ It has been a real step forward that so many of the disparate
groups on the left see the urgency of moving towards a new party to give the
working class a political voice now that Labour no longer can do that”.
Clear evidence that the campaign to build a new workers’ party was moving
forward came with the resolutions that were passed after the Discussion
Forum, but clearly influenced by it. Supporters agreed to:
§ Continue to build the campaign amongst trade unions, and intervene
in trade union conferences
§ Argue within trade unions for them to break their link with Labour
and build a political movement for the working class
§ Invite all supporters of the campaign to become members, with
regional members meetings and local CNWP groups
§ Work to bring the various forces of the left together, as well as
working within the working class – within trade unions, tenants, black and
community groups, amongst women and youth.
§ Start moving towards a pre-party formation which will begin to
discuss the structure and rules of our new party
§ Campaign against university top up fees
§ Campaign against the BNP, and create a socialist alternative to
counteract them
CNWP Chair and leader of the Socialist Group on Coventry Council Dave
Nellist felt the Conference had built on the work already achieved. “It
took over 30 years for workers to set up the Labour Party. We have already
made significant progress towards building the new workers’ party that is
necessary to replace what Labour might once have aspired to be, and the CNWP
Conference has clearly moved the process further forward. The Labour Party
is finished, electorally and as a vehicle for working class political
representation. We will fill the void that therefore exists, and it will
now be sooner rather than later”, he concluded.
CNWP spokesperson Pete McLaren added, “Our Conference on Sunday demonstrated
how much support there is for a new left party. The left has had a history
of division, and we will learn from that. Conference clearly saw how
essential it had now become to build a genuine mass alternative to New
Labour, and I now believe we can do that. Bringing the rather disparate
left together is part of that process, and for the CNWP to have organised a
platform where left trade union leaders and most of the main players on the
left have come together – successfully – suggests to me we have made
significant progress in our determination to build a new socialist party”,
he concluded
Pete McLaren, CNWP Press Officer


NOTES
The Campaign for a New Workers’ Party (CNWP) was launched in London at a
Conference attended by 450 socialists and trade unionists on March 19 2006.
Over 3,500 supporters have already signed the founding declaration, and a
number of left groups have affiliated. Officers and a Steering Committee
have been elected. The CNWP founding Declaration – and full Conference
agenda -can be seen on our web site: www.cnwp.org.uk
For further information contact:
 
it does, it shows clearly that without the new PCS move the CNWP would have done nothing of note over the last year, and had managed to sign up less than a third of the target figure. That (and the post on the Socialist Unity site) rather implies that the Campaign doesn't know its arse from its elbow (lack of individual membership, long discussion about whether to start drawing rules for a new party - and then discovering that that had been the policy for yonks).

Let's hope something from Serwotka and co can take it well beyond this otherwise hopeless impasse.
 
Why will I? The fact is I haven't and won't - as you well know. You're just clutching at straws because you have NO answer to the issue of majority-scabbing other than to post drivel like you have above, insulting the bearer of the bad news.

Like a child that simply refuses to accept that father christmas doesn't exist.

but what on earth are you doing having a go on this thread??? i doubt there was more than half a dozen managers in the whole 300 .. you are really badly wide of the mark if you think these are people who do NOT understand the problem of majority scabbing and all the other problems of organising

i have to say i find it hard to not think that some of your posts are not trying to disrupt, those who you throw them at, are in NO disagreement with you over the difficulties we face .. so please hoose your targets better .. this certainly is NOT one .. ok??
 
it does, it shows clearly that without the new PCS move the CNWP would have done nothing of note over the last year, and had managed to sign up less than a third of the target figure. That (and the post on the Socialist Unity site) rather implies that the Campaign doesn't know its arse from its elbow (lack of individual membership, long discussion about whether to start drawing rules for a new party - and then discovering that that had been the policy for yonks).

Let's hope something from Serwotka and co can take it well beyond this otherwise hopeless impasse.

God, the left's obsessed with their messiah-apparent, Mark Serwotka. Talk about number 1 pin-up boy. Christ, the pathetic idolising of that man is truly embarrasing to watch.
 
god, the rights obsession with slagging everything off, and saying 'there is no alternative'

Kill yourself. Now.
 
god, the rights obsession with slagging everything off, and saying 'there is no alternative'

Kill yourself. Now.

1. I'm not on the right.

2. I don't say 'there is no alternative'

3. Your continual repetition of "Kill yourself" reflects worse on you than it does me.
 
To all practical effects, you are on the right.

Welcome back to ignore, you worthless, right-wing, scab apologist, shit.
 
I don't know anyone who doesn't have some criticisms of his politics and positions. But he should certainly be strongly defrended against those right-wingers who simply want to slag him off at any opportunity
 
I don't know anyone who doesn't have some criticisms of his politics and positions. But he should certainly be strongly defrended against those right-wingers who simply want to slag him off at any opportunity

Except, of course, people who do criticsie him from the left on here get branded as "right-wingers" and howled down for not seeing him for the heroic, guiding light of the proletariat that he so manifestly is. :rolleyes:
 
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