National Secular Society oppose NHS paying for Hospital Chaplains

[spring-peeper]

The paying of a/or many religious representatives to make choices and desisions for the benefit of the person infirmed.. is a dificult one today because of the way religious beliefs can and do insist on laws that are detrimental to the person..

As with governance and politics.. religion has no say when aspects of that religion goes against the benefit and long term assistance of those that need...

Yet another area where aspects of the religious should butt the fuck out...

And then when you die...

That ethnic comunity that would like to build a pyre and burn their dead in the North East..

Having taken the best of our NHS and still Left the planet...(died) Can we be multicultural enough.. to.. respect the way certain cultures not only want to be treated in a certain way medically.. and within death.. theologically...

but have ways of disposing of the body that is not the way the laws of this land do anymore..

Oh my, I must have misunderstood. These chaplains can make religious decisions such as last rites without the consent of the patient!!!! That's really scary.

 

[chainsaw cat]

The paying of a/or many religious representatives to make choices and desisions for the benefit of the person infirmed.. is a dificult one today because of the way religious beliefs can and do insist on laws that are detrimental to the person..

As with governance and politics.. religion has no say when aspects of that religion goes against the benefit and long term assistance of those that need...

Yet another area where aspects of the religious should butt the fuck out...

And then when you die...

That ethnic comunity that would like to build a pyre and burn their dead in the North East..

Having taken the best of our NHS and still Left the planet...(died) Can we be multicultural enough.. to.. respect the way certain cultures not only want to be treated in a certain way medically.. and within death.. theologically...

but have ways of disposing of the body that is not the way the laws of this land do anymore..

In NE Wales, to my certain knowledge, you could have a ceremony over the body, in the house, and after that the church could take the remains and dance a jig for all the family would care. Try getting that past the Council or the bloody clergy though.

 

[Frankie Jack]

hmm, it's one I find myself somewhat torn over this.

The NSS are calling for an end to chaplains being paid for out of NHS resources, and demanding that 'churches' pay for them instead (despite the fact that various non-'church' bodies also place chaplains in hospitals). Which sounds kinda reasonable, except the reality of the alternative is that they probably wouldn't pay, and so the services which NSS recognises chaplains do offer would have to be carried out by nurses and other hospital staff.

Unite (which organises said chaplains) oppsses the NSS call, and points out that the chaplains actually lead to various savings being made for the NHS - notably when patients die without any family, the NHS has to bury them, and without a chaplain they'd be paying someone from outside to conduct a service.

Also chaplains may be of a humanist background (tho I don't know if there actually are any humanist chaplains in post).

But the idea of paying for godbotherers does rather grate.

NSS article - http://www.secularism.org.uk/who-should-pay-for-hospital-chap.html

Unite response - http://www.unitetheunion.com/news__events/latest_news/secular_attack_on_nhs_chaplain.aspx

I for one would appreciate and applaud this country called the U.K. becoming secular..

in oh so many ways... It won't though.. as we are multiciltural...

As long as there is recognition of a religious belief.. those that no longer believe and yet hold humanitatrian thoughts.. will have not a lot to say..


Yet have to justify to a theological belief to be taken seriously..


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[Frankie Jack]

Oh my, I must have misunderstood. These chaplains can make religious decisions such as last rites without the consent of the patient!!!! That's really scary.

I was referring to an eastern custom of burning bodies that is not one done in the UK now.. I think it was Sikhs that had a prefferred way of dealing with the dead.. that we don't do here now.. Preferring to burn the body on a pyre.. within a certain amount of hours..

We don't do that in the UK and havn't burned bodies on a pyre for hundreds of years..



Now that the UK has progressed .. should we give consideration to funerals that no longer exist in our way of living..

Should other theologies be given consideration yet are known to have become outdated in our society..

Does this whole multiculturism hold us back.. are most theological arguments.. not even a consideration today..

Is the UK a secular society trying hard to please the multiculturists..

 

[spring-peeper]

I was referring to an eastern custom of burning bodies that is not one done in the UK now.. I think it was Sikhs that had a prefferred way of dealing with the dead.. that we don't do here now.. Preferring to burn the body on a pyre.. within a certain amount of hours..

We don't do that in the UK and havn't burned bodies on a pyre for hundreds of years..

Ah, respect for other religions.

*wonders if that's legal here and decides that no, too many emissions*

Now that the UK has progressed .. should we give consideration to funerals that no longer exist in our way of living..

Should other theologies be given consideration yet are known to have become outdated in our society..

Does this whole multiculturism hold us back.. are most theological arguments.. not even a consideration today..

Is the UK a secular society trying hard to please the multiculturists..

imo - multiculturalism is respecting your heritage within the confines of the law. Religion is part of your heritage, but not the be-all-and-end-all. There are other factors involved.

If you wanted to be multicultural wrt the chaplains, insist that those taking the job are capable of, and compassionate enough, to put the religious concerns of the patient before his own.

As for your last statement, multiculturism is about respect.

 

[brasicritique]

What makes you think the chaplains draw a wage at all? Do you think that chaplains get a wage slip with tax deducted and that?

Christ, you're so fucking thick.

No actually your fucking thick and a hypocrite to boot given your supposed politics. Did you not see the thread title you hypocritical fuckwit.

 

[brasicritique]

I certainly never made any money out of the chaplaincy lark. Clearly I missed a trick.

Oh yes the old 'making money' there i sa difference between making money and taking money Is that why your an ex-chaplin then as you didnt make any money? so much for religous conviction

 

[Roadkill]

Oh yes the old 'making money' there i sa difference between making money and taking money Is that why your an ex-chaplin then as you didnt make any money? so much for religous conviction

You're barking.