National employee blacklist database.
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bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Alright, so how do we fight this? Are there any groups that we can join, or shall we set up our own? Let's do this, rather than bicker with each other, get a single issue group together to fight it by whatever means the individual is prepared to go to, IYSWIM? Who's in?
Why are you even asking people? Do you seriously think that the left can actually fight a single issue cause? You can't. You're all fucking hopeless.
As soon as someone jumps on board that you don't like, it's
"Oh fuck! We've been infiltrated! Get that cunt out!"
Until there is 80 swappies left. Fuck that.
First I have to say I can't agree with a blacklist that includes people not convicted. If convicted I would agree with it.
In this case if you think that you are in the right take the fuckers who put you on there and the people who run the list to court for:
A - Damages
B - To force them to remove your name from the list.
Johnny Canuck3
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Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Like during the poll tax campaign, you mean?
derf - you say that if this database only held the names of convicted persons, you'd support it. a) what are the chances of that happening, and b) what about people who have 'paid their debt to society'; why should they be tarred for life with this brush? There's a piece in the current issue of the Economist about a sudden rise in the suicide rate in Japan. The Eccie links this to a Japanese culture that confers lifelong shame on people who make mistakes, commit errors etc. You want to see that happen in your part of the world?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
To be honest, I think we're there already. The "current low levels of class struggle" are very much like the "current low heartbeat" of a corpse - IE unlikely in the extreme to get going again.
Which involved most of the right and besides, Thatcher's downfall was that she was unelectable by her own "faithful", not the poll tax riots.
And I can't believe you are asking me that second question, considering the wording of my opening post on this thread.
Are you really suggesting that the campaign against the poll tax involved most of the right?
Re. defence of freedom of speech and other liberties, I wouldn't trust either the Far Left or Far Right in such a capacity, whatever they might claim.
If you're going to word it like that, it didn't involve most of the left either. Most of the population, left or right, scratched their arses.
Furthermore, when it comes to the electorate, the people who happen to be right wing; we don't really do a lot apart from write letters, vote and (these days) talk bollocks on the internet. So by God when it dawned on Thatcher's cabinet that she was unelectable, she had to go. Granted that Thatcher's resignation is a separate issue than the poll tax, but you'll find that if she was re-electable, she would have stuck to her manifesto and we would have still have gotten the poll tax.
Hold on a minute, I'm not wording it like anything. You stated, in reply to Idris2002, that the 'poll tax campaign' involved 'most of the right'.
Now that is bollocks. Unless by 'poll tax campaign' you actually mean the political campaign within the Conservative Party in favour of having the poll tax.
It's about perspective. What do you count as the "right" ? What do you count as the "left" ?
Most of the right, changed their minds on the poll tax. So you tell me how many right wingers were involved in anti poll tax campaigns?
But hey, whatever, I'll just yield, it's you that has the credibility and after all, what the fuck do I care about anything? I'm just a bitter right winger, who's working class and is so fucking sick to the back teeth of every single issue cause ever worth fighting, being hijacked by lefties, who ironically scream "INFILFUCKINGTRATION" at the sight of anyone to the right of them, that it's almost getting to the point, where I really, really couldn't give a flying fuck about workers rights anymore.
Yep, I'm one of those selfish bastards that KBJ is on about. The whole reason why the country is swarming with people who don't give a fuck about anyone else, is because we have a political atmosphere where everyone who gets involved in any cause, wants something back politically.
If you want the destruction of this database, you're gonna have to involve *EVERYONE* and bury the anti-capitalist slogans.
Not happy with that? Tough. We'll just all sit on our backsides while Gordon destroys the country. If the working classes believed capitalism was the problem, they would have destroyed it decades ago. So be my guest, spend the next 30 years trying to convince the working classes that capitalism is the problem.
I've heard it all from left wing activists and right wing activists. Young and naive they all come back with the same problem "I thought they would vote for us. We told them everything, we told them what we stood for, we told them what is wrong and how to fix it and on the doorstep they even agreed,l yet those gormless fuckers still voted for the same old shit bags."
That's the reality that has been going on for as long as I can remember. If you want to make a change, you do it issue by issue and you get *EVERYONE* on board and you forget the partisan political propaganda before and after the campaigns.
Make this a left versus right issue and it's all lost before anyone has started.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
I'm an autonomous anarcho-grump
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
So rather than descend into sectarian and right vs left arguing, oh horse's arse, you agree that this is wrong and bad, yeah? What steps should be taken here?
Redrumsbum: Calm down! Like I said, I don't believe the Far Left or the Far Right when they start wearing the liberty hat. That's based on how they run their own little parties and groups, and how they've behaved in the past when they've grabbed power.
Hopefully it's a kind of curmudgeonly English individualism or mind-your-own-business 'awkward squad' mentality which will become more assertive and stand in the way of crap like national ID cards or databases on everyone which only the select few can scrutinise.
Hopefully it's a kind of curmudgeonly English individualism or mind-your-own-business 'awkward squad' mentality which will become more assertive and stand in the way of crap like national ID cards or databases on everyone which only the select few can scrutinise.
Someone who's not a member of any political outfit, preferably the type of individual who's been involved in a similar single issue cause setup a single issue campaign / organisation to fight this.
In the campaign's mission statement it should include only 1 objective, to outlaw employee blacklist databases.
It should also state, that *EVERYONE* is welcome, so long as they do not
* Promote any political views outside of the cause.
* Don't ask / don't tell their political colours.
Everyone from the Pol-Pot appreciation society to the KKK should be welcome to the cause.
That means, personally, I'm NOT interested in
Your political party, be it the SWP, The Communist party of Great Britain, IWCA, Respect, Lib Dem, New Labour, The Tories, UKIP, BNP, The Front, The KKK, The loonies.
Which union you're a part of, or not part of.
Your feckin religion, your race, your sexuality.
I'm not interested in what it does or doesn't have to do with capitalism, the environment, immigration, racism or the even the bleedin state.
All we should be interested in, is whether an individual is interested in the cause or not. If they can't isolate the cause, then we need to convince them or drop them.
It's no good uniting the left or the right or anyone else. It's not even a case of uniting the workers, it's a case of uniting all of us. The bosses can be made to see that this database is in no ones interests, because even the bosses can end up on the fucking thing.
Oh yeah....even the shareholders shouldn't be left out....
Col_Buendia
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I think it's sad that people get so fed up and embittered that they give up on their own dreams, yet still can't stop caring about it. If you care, and you clearly do, then the only thing to do is *do* something about it, RRB.
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