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legz said:
Also, maybe I'm being daisies and buttercups naive as fuck here, but wouldn't employers be trying whatever it took to get listed with all kinds of positives on such a site?

Correct me as you wish!
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One minor flaw in your theory as I see it is you assume a parity of economic power between employer & worker. Doesn't seem to work like that irl.
 
Col_Buendia said:
Yeah, innit a shame that the only detailed info that seems to be online is from the tinfoilers at Bilderberg :(
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caprim has also shut down now - there'll be another group in their place though. They're not going to let decades worth of files just gather dust. Losbter is probably the place to look.
 
poster342002 said:
The person(s) organising it should be prepared to spend the rest of their lives fending off libel writs until they are bankrupt (which would be very quickly).
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Please, you and KJ - don't derail the thread into a 'oh, woe, its all hopeless' tag team thread - cheers
 
dennisr said:
Please, you and KJ - don't derail the thread into a 'oh, woe, its all hopeless' tag team thread - cheers
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Oh, so you don't think that employers - with all their vast, near-limitless wealth and lawyers in some cases - would simply sue anyone into oblivion who put up a website like that?
 
poster342002 said:
Oh, so you don't think that employers - with all their vast, near-limitless wealth and lawyers in some cases - would simply sue anyone into oblivion who put up a website like that?
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They're more than welcome to sue me - i'll happily expose the shit they get up to in open court.
 
butchersapron said:
They're more than welcome to sue me - i'll happily expose the shit they get up to in open court.
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Not that simple. There's endless procedural stuff and technicalties they can invoke to sap your resources whilst never getting to a full hearing itself.

You fight the capitalists in their legal courts (which operate on their terms), you'll almost certainly lose.
 
Hmm, maybe this would be a good use for my webby database-y talents. I might have a look for a suitably covert host.
 
poster342002 said:
Not that simple. There's endless procedural stuff and technicalties they can invoke to sap your resources whilst never getting to a full hearing itself.

You fight the capitalists in their legal courts (which operate on their terms), you'll almost certainly lose.
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Couldn't care less about losing, they can't take what i haven't got. There's reasons these people spend millions in PR. Can't see them wanting to chuck all that away. Public exposure is what they're really scared of - they'd be cutting their own throat.
 
butchersapron said:
Couldn't care less about losing, they can't take what i haven't got. There's reasons these people spend millions in PR. Can't see them wanting to chuck all that away. Public exposure is what they're really scared of - they'd be cutting their own throat.
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Chances are you'd run out of money and be forced to issue a retraction before it ever got to the sort of full hearing you'd be hoping for. Really - they don't fuck about.
 
poster342002 said:
In my experience, this sort of "culture" infects many - perhaps most - organisations. White-collar ones at the very least. And yes - even if they're unionised.
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You gotta love it. The "culture" will always have "values" attached, which incidentally can change overnight. People's "personal reviews" are matched to how closely they embody the "values". I got sick to fucking death of this kind of BS at Ufi, people losing their jobs, working conditions and security worsening etc. And all of it being sold to us as something positive. In Ufi and so many other workplaces like it, I've had great difficulty not regarding the people who get thoroughly sucked into the "culture" as anything other than mentally ill.

You might find my resignation letter amusing. It was sent out to the whole organisation. IT recalled and purged the email. Then several people, in solidarity, kept copies on their hard drives and printed them out and stuck them on the noticeboards in the staff kitchens. I'm wondering now if this is the kind of thing that might get me blacklisted.
 
butchersapron said:
Which i won't give. Then what are they going to do - bearing in mind their PR profile.
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Not too sure what would happen at that point - you could be done for perjury or contempt-of-court, maybe, if the court had ordered you to comply (possibly ordering you to issue a retraction drafted by the litigent). You're also assuming you'd be able to get significant publicity for what was happening. Remember also that you'd be dealing throughout the whole sorry affair with people who have no concience whatsoever.

Add to this that most people aren't willing to go nearly as far as you suggest and you see the weakness of this strategy.
 
Please, you and KJ - don't derail the thread into a 'oh, woe, its all hopeless' tag team thread - cheers
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Too right. To be honest KBJ has absolutely no credibality after his craven support for Alexander Boris DePiffell Johnson.
 
Who gave unthinking support to Livingstone? The bloke has many political flaws and right-wing politics such as telling RMT members to scab.

But you're an out and out Tory support. Fair enough, that's your choice, but don't expect anyone to take your views about the workers movement seriously.
 
So from now on, nomatter what salient points kbj raises, the gameplan is to ignore them and dig up the same old chestnut over and over again? As though that automaticilly invalidates any other point he may be making?
 
poster342002 said:
So from now on, nomatter what salient points kbj raises, the gameplan is to ignore them and dig up the same old chestnut over and over again?
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oh, i think he set himself up for that one...

your definition of "salient points" is as weird as your emo politics
 
This country is a fucking nightmare - I just saw this on the BBC. Wheres the opposition? We have a growing BNP/far-right, we have a tory mayor and possible tory government in 2010, a FIT team for every estate, 4.3million CCTV cameras, no smoking in pubs, no pubs just yuppie "urban inns", more filth on the streets, a diminishing left and ineffectual anarchist movement.Will the last lefty/anarcho to britain please turn off the lights!

We need a real combative, militant working class social movement sooner or we just want be in a state of "low class struggle" anymore but a definitive defeat!

creativity, innovation and some new fucking ideas!

Ales
 
Small point, cutepdf is a free PDF writer for windows that works very well. no need for online convertors :)

And yes, good job darios :thumbsup:
 
QUOTE: Also on the list will be employees who resigned before they could face disciplinary proceedings at work.

I DID THIS COS THE ALLEGATIONS WERE BOLLOCKS AND SUED FOR CONSTRUCTIVE DISMISSAL, I WON BUT COULD STILL HAVE ENDED UP ON THE LIST
 
Black listing was common in the 70's and early 80's. The main group in the UK to operate Blacklists was the Economic League. It blacklisted trade union militants and such like. Not surprised its making a come back in these reactionary times.
 
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