National employee blacklist database.

[poster342002]

Prague Spring. You are having a laugh aint you. Most people are too busy screwing over their colleagues and believing that all these extra offences that NL has created and the corresponding security apparatus is there for their 'own good'.

I have about as much faith in the British people turning out to reclaim what has been stolen from them as do about Richard Barnbrook converting to Islam.

Sadly, that's just it (especially the bit I've bolded). I think you're right and I despair of people ever getting off their spiteful, egotistical power-trips that they've been bribed with. The left refuses to accept this ghastly attitudinal shift has taken place over the last 30 years so, accordingly, does nothing about it either (becuase they'd have to accept the reactionary attitudinal problem is as widespread as it is if they did).

The future really is a boot stamping on a human face - forever. As Orwell put it.

 

[Crispy]

Jesus tittyfucking christ!

 

[Fez909]

Prague Spring. You are having a laugh aint you. Most people are too busy screwing over their colleagues and believing that all these extra offences that NL has created and the corresponding security apparatus is there for their 'own good'.

I have about as much faith in the British people turning out to reclaim what has been stolen from them as do about Richard Barnbrook converting to Islam.

Except most people aren't screwing over their colleagues, you lying Tory scab.

 

[Fez909]

The left refuses to accept this ghastly attitudinal shift has taken place over the last 30 years so, accordingly, does nothing about it either

Come on, poster, what have you done to turn around this attitudinal shift? You're constantly whining about a non-specific Left, but you never lead by example with tales of your heroic defending of working people. Come on, let's hear 'em..

 

[Roadkill]

This kind of database has been the norm in the oil biz here for the last couple of decades & nearly all the main employers are members of one of the two main firms. It was pretty easy to get on them & yes as well as genuine reasons, simply not fitting-in or being a bit bolshy could be enough to see you blacklisted.

It's happened in industries like that - geographically concentrated, small-ish workforce etc - for years. In the distant-water fishing industry before the collapse in the 1970s, men who were regarded as difficult or insubordinate were often blacklisted. The word went out among the trawler owners not to give a bloke a job, and sure enough, he'd find that no-one would sign him on for a trip. It was known as being given a spell 'walking about.' Normally, it was done as a sort of punishment and the bloke was allowed back after a few months. But then, that was an industry riddled with corruption of various sorts - bribes ('backhanders') to get on the best ships, blacklisting, cosy arrangements between companies and so on. No way do we want those sort of practices spreading elsewhere.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Except most people aren't screwing over their colleagues, you lying Tory scab.

Do fuck off.

 

[poster342002]

Except most people aren't screwing over their colleagues

Oh please - I know any number of people forced out of work by backstabbing "colleagues". Far more than I know of firsthand instances of workplace solidarity.

 

[poster342002]

Come on, poster, what have you done to turn around this attitudinal shift? You're constantly whining about a non-specific Left, but you never lead by example with tales of your heroic defending of working people. Come on, let's hear 'em..

I've spent YEARS aguing the counterargument in every workplace I've ever been. Only today I sat in disbeleif in a meeting where it revealed one of the bosses blamed their own error on everyone else, but nobody was prepared to stand up for themselves (they had documented evidence they could have used to do so) for the sake of the "atmospheare" in the office.

 

[Darios]

National Staff Dismissal Register

This has only one mention on Urban that I could find so far in the midst of another thread. I thought it deserved a thread of its own:

From the BBC article:

An online database of workers accused of theft and dishonesty, regardless of whether they have been convicted of any crime, which bosses can access when vetting potential employees.

But this is no dystopian fantasy. Later this month, the National Staff Dismissal Register (NSDR) is expected to go live.

....

Workers sacked for these offences will be included on the register, regardless of whether police had enough evidence to convict them. Also on the list will be employees who resigned before they could face disciplinary proceedings at work.

[my emphasis]

Apparently workers can "change their entries if inaccurate". The veracity of an entry however is decided by.....an appeal to the Information Commissioners Office. I feel safer already.

 

[subversplat]

I'm extremely right wing

Blimey what an opening gambit!

 

[DotCommunist]

theres a thread on this already, but yeah the more people who see this latest wheeze the better.

Sooner or later we will be Corporate Citizens.

 

[Fez909]

I've spent YEARS aguing the counterargument in every workplace I've ever been. Only today I sat in disbeleif in a meeting where it revealed one of the bosses blamed their own error on everyone else, but nobody was prepared to stand up for themselves (they had documented evidence they could have used to do so) for the sake of the "atmospheare" in the office.

Lack of solidarity due to fear, or otherwise, is not the same as backstabbing.

 

[Darios]

Sorry DC I missed it. Can you give me a link please?

 

[DotCommunist]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=249540

 

[Darios]

Thanks.

 

[poster342002]

So where's the "END THE STAFF DISMISAL REGISTER NOW!" demonstrations then?

Nowhere to be fucking seen, of course.

 

[poster342002]

Lack of solidarity due to fear, or otherwise, is not the same as backstabbing.

It's a mixture of fear, ambition, backstabbing, ass-pirational corporate ladderclimbing and so forth. All of this leads to the polar opposite of solidarity. Not only do people not stand up for each other, many will cheerfully turn the knife for the sheer "fun" of it in many workplaces becuase it's seen as being ball-breaking, red-blooded virile, dynamic line-management. And I'm talking about nob-ends just one micro-grade (and a couple of quid extra) above someone else.

I've seen people in nervous breakdowns after being treated like this.

 

[Nigel]

So where's the "END THE STAFF DISMISAL REGISTER NOW!" demonstrations then?

Nowhere to be fucking seen, of course.

Perhaps no one will turn up on it in fear of being sacked

 

[Crispy]

Threads merged, bosses notified.

 

[Darios]

I foresee a very short and inglorious future for the whole idea.

Let's hope so. Do you think one significant precedent against it in court would be enough, or is this going to be a fucking nightmarish drip, drip, drip of aggravation, with people's lives being disrupted in the meantime until they decide to drop it?

Most people cannot afford the money or time to do this. Very risky strategy anyway for most as they risk not winning and even incurring costs.

Indeed - either route, whether via the IC, or a libel case, is fraught with difficulty that people most likely on the receiving end won't be equipped for. The IC isn't exactly known for its muscular rulings.

Libel is a rich man's sport. Not for average folk.

In the meantime I think the only direct action would be for everyone to make a Data Protection Access Request for what information they have on you. Make another one once the last letter was received. Slow the process down that way.

I think that's a great idea. Are there any other ways this could be fought / scuppered?

I assume....

... covers anything from malice to incompetence (whether proven or otherwise of course).

This is the bit that really worries me personally. I've had quite a few fiery resignations on principle from several workplaces, usually involving sending out my resignation email to the entire company with a list of reasons why they are full of shit.

I wonder if they match up to the statutory requirments of Data Controllers? Anyone fancy using the DPA to find out?

Good idea. I'll make a request this week.

but nobody was prepared to stand up for themselves (they had documented evidence they could have used to do so) for the sake of the "atmospheare" in the office.

Seen this one myself poster, though in those cases it was the "culture" of the organisation.

 

[poster342002]

Threads merged

Can we also have a "thread moved" link to this in General, please? We might get a few more people venturing into UK P&P as a result, too (which would be good).

 

[Col_Buendia]

The Economic Leagure were happily doing this twenty years ago. I wonder are there any testimonies from people who weren't able to get back into work because of that?

 

[poster342002]

Seen this one myself poster, though in those cases it was the "culture" of the organisation.

In my experience, this sort of "culture" infects many - perhaps most - organisations. White-collar ones at the very least. And yes - even if they're unionised.

 

[butchersapron]

Economic league - forced to shut down, suceeded by Caprim woerking on the exact same basis. It's always gone on covertly.

 

[poster342002]

It's very eerie, because I've seen people obtain jobs, get glowing praise from their boss only for a sudden change of attitude to take place and then a manic determination ensue to get rid of the worker (no, they weren't crap at their jobs) - as if they'd suddenly "been told something" about the member of staff.

 

[RedRumsBum]

So where's the "END THE STAFF DISMISAL REGISTER NOW!" demonstrations then?

Nowhere to be fucking seen, of course.

First off, we need to work out how the SWP can capitalise on the situation. Secondly, we need to make sure that enough clowns, jugglers, crusties, drums and whistles are involved, so that anyone to the right of Tony Benn, wouldn't dream in a million years of turning up.

There should be a crowd of about 50 people in about 2 months time I guess.

 

[butchersapron]

Balfour beatty are notorious for this sort of thing.

 

[Col_Buendia]

Economic league - forced to shut down, suceeded by Caprim woerking on the exact same basis. It's always gone on covertly.

Yeah, innit a shame that the only detailed info that seems to be online is from the tinfoilers at Bilderberg

 

[legz]

So, back to the idea of turning the tables...........is there really anything preventing this? Surely a 'rate your employer' type website that invites the positive and, ofcourse, the negative can be protected by a good enough disclaimer slap bang on the homepage?

Also, maybe I'm being daisies and buttercups naive as fuck here, but wouldn't employers be trying whatever it took to get listed with all kinds of positives on such a site?

Correct me as you wish!

 

[poster342002]

So, back to the idea of turning the tables...........is there really anything preventing this? Surely a 'rate your employer' type website that invites the positive and, ofcourse, the negative can be protected by a good enough disclaimer slap bang on the homepage?

Also, maybe I'm being daisies and buttercups naive as fuck here, but wouldn't employers be trying whatever it took to get listed with all kinds of positives on such a site?

Correct me as you wish!

The person(s) organising it should be prepared to spend the rest of their lives fending off libel writs until they are bankrupt (which would be very quickly).