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National Demo against UK Military Academy at St Athans - April 26

Udo Erasmus

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The Government is spending 14 billion building a huge, privatised UK Military Academy to train the latest recruits to the 'war on terror' and foreign militaries and mercenaries, funded by our taxes, the profits will pour into the coffers of companies like Raytheon. It looks set to become Britain's 'School of the Americas' - a centre for counterinsurgency training and future imperialist adventures abroad. A mass-demonstration is planned for this month supported by local peace groups, anarchists, socialists, trade unions, UK Stop the War Coalition and CND Cymru and anti-awr campaigners from across the length and breadth of Britain!

SATURDAY 26th APRIL
Assemble at 1.30pm, City Hall, Cardiff
Demonstration at 2pm,​

Imagine a world in which the armed forces are trained by arms dealers.
And we subsidise their profits.

That world will become reality unless we stop the proposed school of death at St Athan.
The creation of a military super-academy at St Athan, between Cardiff and Swansea, was announced as a done deal in January 2007. Despite the fact this represented the biggest PFI in history, involving £14 billion of taxpayers' money, there had been no debate in either Westminster or the Welsh Assembly (Senedd). A promise of 5500 local jobs was trumpeted loudly by an uncritical news media and presented as a great victory for Wales.

No wonder the politicians didn't want any debate. The new super-academy, replacing many smaller centres, means that military training will now be in the hands of shameless profiteers.
The winning bidders for the project were the Metrix consortium. This consortium includes Qinetiq, the privatised research and development wing of the MoD. Qinetiq was recently the subject of intense criticism by the National Audit Office. Its privatisation was proposed by MoD managers – who then saw
their shares rise 10,000% on the day of the sale! 33.8% of Qinetiq was also bought by the US-based Carlyle Group, a sinister lash-up of politicians and arms dealers with a vested interest in promoting war.
Former members of its board include one George W. Bush.

Then there is the US arms manufacturer Raytheon. Raytheon make the missiles which deliver cluster bombs, the horrendous weapons which are estimated to have killed 100,000 people – 98% of them innocent civilians. The world can also thank Raytheon for the depleted uranium weapons which have led to thousands of horribly deformed babies and large increases in cancers in war zones and beyond.
Raytheon, Qinetiq and friends will not just be training UK armed forces at St Athan. They will train any soldiers, sailors and air force personnel that are willing to pay for the privilege. And like all PFIs, the St Athan academy will be subsidised by the taxpayer, and if necessary, bailed out with public money.
There has never been a detailed breakdown of the jobs the academy will bring. However, even Metrix admit that many of the military trainers will relocate from elsewhere. Every PFI has secured profits by cutting costs. St Athan will mean less MoD jobs overall, and the poorest pay and conditions for lowskilled workers.

In any case, imagine what else could be done with £14 billion! With hospitals and schools closing throughout Wales and the UK, with a desperate need to improve social facilities, create sustainable sources of energy etc, such public money could be invested in socially useful projects rather than the
preparation for future wars of occupation like Iraq.

If this development goes ahead, 21 st century Wales will be become a militarised, security-obsessed nightmare. If you want to stop the war profiteers in their tracks, support the campaign and raise it in your union, student union, workplace and community.

To join our mailing list, email
[email protected] , or write to Stop The St Athan Academy c/o Temple of Peace, Cardiff, CF10 3AP.

For more details visit www.cynefinywerin.org.uk.

 
This campaign has received individual messages of support from Tony Benn, John McDonnell MP, Cllr Salma Yaqoob, Cllr Ray Holmes, Jill Evans MEP and others.

Stop the St Athan Military Academy Campaign supporters include:

Aberystwyth Peace & Justice Network, Bangor Peace & Justice Group
Caernarfon Peace & Justice Group, Cardiff Anarchist Network, Cardiff Justice & Peace Group, Cardiff RESPECT/Left Party, Church Action Against Poverty, CND Cymru, CND (Swansea), Communist Party of Wales, Cymdeithas y Cymod (Fellowship of Reconciliation Wales), Cymdeithas yr Iaith (Welsh Language Society), Cynefin y Werin, Green Party (Wales), Nicaragua Solidarity Campaign, Penarth Justice & Peace Group, Permanent Revolution, Quakers (Caerleon), RESPECT/Left Party, Socialist Labour Party (Wales), South Wales Anarchists, Stop the War Coalition (UK), Stop the War (Bristol)
Stop the War (Cardiff), Stop the War (Swindon), Stop the War (Wrekin), Women in Black (Abergavenny), Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, Wrexham Peace & Justice Centre

To add your name or organisation to the list of supporters or for more information about the campaign, email: [email protected]
 
A member of the legendary Derry "Raytheon 9" will now be speaking at the rally at the end of the demo!

Be there! or be square!
 
Doesn't it say it all that there's a blank cheque for war, but no blank cheque for public services?

In Wales, hospitals and schools are being shut down due to "lack of funds" but £14 billion can be found to build a privatised military academy.

See your at the march!
 
Here's an example of how Wales is being militarised by this private military academy:

Academy link aim for new school plan
Apr 8 2008 by Peter Collins, South Wales Echo


LONG-AWAITED plans for a much-needed new school in Llantwit Major will be drawn up this summer with the aim of helping to prepare pupils for jobs at the multi-billion-pound Defence Training Academy in St Athan.

The redevelopment plan at Llantwit Major Comprehensive School is part of a multi-million- pound school investment strategy

Consultants are carrying out design work for a new school at Cowbridge Comprehensive School and a planning application is expected to be put before councillors later this year.

Meanwhile, initial design work to replace St Cyres Comprehensive School, in Penarth, has started with a full scheme due to be ready by the second half of next year.

Bryan Jeffreys, the Vale of Glamorgan Council’s director of learning and development, said: “At Llantwit Major, initial design work is planned for later this year.

The intention is to link the redevelopment of Llantwit Major school with the roll-out of the Ministry of Defence Training Academy at St Athan. The School Investment Strategy is a priority.”

The role of schools, colleges and universities in providing skilled workers for the academy is seen as vital to its success. However, academy opponents have called for the Open University in Wales to sever links with the academy. The Open University is part of the Metrix consortium, which made the successful academy bid.
 
Doesn't it say it all that there's a blank cheque for war, but no blank cheque for public services?

In Wales, hospitals and schools are being shut down due to "lack of funds" but £14 billion can be found to build a privatised military academy.

See your at the march!

I do support this demo and am planning on going, but hospitals are not actually being 'shut down due to lack of funds', there is more money than ever before available to the NHS in Wales and the best equipped hospital ever in Wales is currently under construction at Ystrad Mynach.

Schools are under local authority control and the number of schools in Wales is declining due to the falling birth rate rather than any neo-liberal agenda. I don't think local councils factor in this Defence Academy when they are planning their schools re-organisations. At the same time, class sizes in Wales are decreasing so the overall picture is positive.

Public Services in Wales- Funded by the Welsh Assembly Government, using public funds only for political reasons
Defence Projects in Wales- Funded by the Westminster Government, using in this case private finance

This £14 billion is a UK government policy and a PFI, not a Welsh government policy- although you would be right to say the Welsh govt has not opposed it : (

I agree with opposing the Academy but don't think it is correct to link it to public services in Wales, because public services in Wales are funded from the Assembly Government's block grant (Public money) and the Academy is funded from the UK government's Defence budget (public money essentially being given to private contractors).

Let's hope this demo gets the issue back in the press and being discussed with the elections coming up.
 
thing is the military have bases already and a lot of them are fairly dubious about the move to st anthans its some great plan to build super garrisons which sounds good on paper but lots of things sound good in practice
 
I do support this demo and am planning on going, but hospitals are not actually being 'shut down due to lack of funds', there is more money than ever before available to the NHS in Wales and the best equipped hospital ever in Wales is currently under construction at Ystrad Mynach.

Schools are under local authority control and the number of schools in Wales is declining due to the falling birth rate rather than any neo-liberal agenda. I don't think local councils factor in this Defence Academy when they are planning their schools re-organisations. At the same time, class sizes in Wales are decreasing so the overall picture is positive.

Public Services in Wales- Funded by the Welsh Assembly Government, using public funds only for political reasons
Defence Projects in Wales- Funded by the Westminster Government, using in this case private finance

This £14 billion is a UK government policy and a PFI, not a Welsh government policy- although you would be right to say the Welsh govt has not opposed it : (

I agree with opposing the Academy but don't think it is correct to link it to public services in Wales, because public services in Wales are funded from the Assembly Government's block grant (Public money) and the Academy is funded from the UK government's Defence budget (public money essentially being given to private contractors).

Let's hope this demo gets the issue back in the press and being discussed with the elections coming up.

Lewislewis is a member of Plaid, a political party who support the militarisation of Wales and the Academy.

This smokescreen won't wash. The 4 major political parties have slavishly welcomed the military academy coming to Wales. Are you saying that it makes no difference what Plaid Cymru and Welsh Labour say? Wouldn't it have been great if the Leaders of those two parties had said to Westminster, "We don't need 14 billion for a military academy, if you are going to make such a big award of taxpayers money to Wales, let's see billions spent on schools and eliminating child poverty" etc.

Schools are under local authority control and the number of schools in Wales is declining due to the falling birth rate rather than any neo-liberal agenda

Once again, Lewislewis is a member of Plaid, the party carrying out the biggest school closure programme in Wales. But this smokescreen won't wash.

In Cardiff, where a massive protest movement defeated a similar school closure programme from the LibDems. Parents opposed the Council claims that schools had "surplus places" as a neoliberal accountants con-trick. Educationalists are united in arguing that smaller class sizes are better for school students, hence the slogan of the movement: "Surplus Places means Smaller Class Sizes".

Read what teachers in Gwynedd have to say about the neoliberal attack on small rural communities here
 
ferfuckssake Udo, can't you make single post without your pisspoor attacks on Plaid. You are doing a jolly good job of showing just why the SWP are an all but irrelevant rump in Wales tho.
 
ferfuckssake Udo, can't you make single post without your pisspoor attacks on Plaid. You are doing a jolly good job of showing just why the SWP are an all but irrelevant rump in Wales tho.

^^ this

big turn off as previously mentioned udo <yawn>
 
ferfuckssake Udo, can't you make single post without your pisspoor attacks on Plaid. You are doing a jolly good job of showing just why the SWP are an all but irrelevant rump in Wales tho.

1) I'm not a member of SWP
2) I was responding to the points from a member of Plaid, I wouldn't have mentioned them otherwise. Lewislewis was trying to defend the massive school closure programmes being carried out by all 4 parties in Wales as not being about neoliberalism. that has resulted in some of the biggest demo's in Wales for alongtime.
3) Lewislewis states: "I agree with opposing the Academy but don't think it is correct to link it to public services in Wales,"

Actually I think to win support for the campaign against the Academy from working people in Wales we have to explicitly ask the question: If £14 billion can be given to Wales to fund war, in the form of the academy, then why can no billions be found to fund much more important public services that are being cut back because of "lack of funds".
 
^^ this

big turn off as previously mentioned udo <yawn>

I just made a post reporting the way education is being reorientated towards the Military Academy in St Athan. With due respect, I only got sidetracked onto this subject because Lewislewis was attempting two typical squalid maneuvers: 1) Attempting to disassociate the Military Academy being built in South Wales from the political establishment in Wales, which can only weaken the movement 2) Making an ideological claim that the NHS is in a great state in Wales 3) Trying to justify a neoliberal programme of closing down schools. 4) Arguing that we shouldn't raise as a slogan that we would rather see billions spent in Wales on schools, hospitals, eliminating child poverty than the Military.

PS. Ddraig doesn't like Plaid being criticised because he is a nationalist. But it is difficult to see how you can campaign against the Academy without criticising Plaid given they have played a key and disgusting role in supporting it with not a single Plaid Cymru Councillor, MP or Assembly Member opposing it.
 
I'd forgotten you'd left the SWP, but the SWP clearly hasn't entirely left you :)

Your other arguments are rather specious and disingenuous, and just part of your tedious campaign to oppose Plaid. Why not just stick to the ostensible point of your post, ie St Athans. Then someone might listen to you
 
oh, and isnt evil neo-fascist Plaid member & MEP Jill Evans actually speaking from the platform of the demo?
 
Your other arguments are rather specious and disingenuous, and just part of your tedious campaign to oppose Plaid. Why not just stick to the ostensible point of your post, ie St Athans. Then someone might listen to you

I only mentioned Plaid in response to a member of Plaid's criticisms of my own comments which didn't mention Plaid. I'm not sure what is disingenuous about my arguments, why don't you tell me?

oh, and isnt evil neo-fascist Plaid member & MEP Jill Evans actually speaking from the platform of the demo?

Your a bit out of touch, aren't you Belboid.
Jill Evans is actually the ONLY member of Plaid to have publicly opposed the Academy. Not a single Plaid Cllr, MP or AM have opposed the Academy, while many have actively supported it including Adam Price MP and the leadership of the party, leading left wingers in Plaid have been aproached by the campaign and been given the coldshoulder by Assembly Members who claim to be anti-war and socialists.

It's impossible to oppose the Academy without highlighting the role that Plaid Cymru have played in bringing the likes of Raytheon to Wales. Given that they claim to be a party of the left, it's astonishing to see how they and the other political parties across the spectrum have closed ranks in supporting and promoting the Academy.

Interestingly, do you also criticise the Raytheon 9 and Derry Anti-War Movement for highlighting the role of Sinn Fein and SDLP in bringing Raytheon to the North of Ireland? Where we saw exactly the same game, with left wing Nationalists from Sinn Fein arguing that Raytheon had nothing to do with weapons.
 
Out of touch? you make no sense. Just pointing out your lack of total honesty. If PLaid are as bad as you say (& I have no interest in defending them) then she should have been refused a place on the platform, like any tory would have been refused. But you don't. You really should try and learn about how to launch a meaningful attack on the oppo parties, rather than ones which just send people to sleep and make them think you're an arsehole.
 
Out of touch? you make no sense. Just pointing out your lack of total honesty. If PLaid are as bad as you say (& I have no interest in defending them) then she should have been refused a place on the platform, like any tory would have been refused.

Plaid are a party wedded to a similar neoliberal trajectory to Labour, however, Labour have been invited onto platforms too. Personally, I think it makes sense to invite Jill Evans onto the platform as she is the only high profile Welsh politician to have taken a principled stance on this issue and got a lot of flak from other politicians, the mainstream media, and has been isolated in her own party.

I have no wish to dwell on Plaid, enough has been said.

But let's remember where this debate started, I made two posts, one on how the Academy was impacting on local education and schools, the other asking: "Why is there a blank cheque for war, but no blank cheque for public services in Wales?" which resulted in a member of Plaid criticising me, to which I responded.
 
Actually I think to win support for the campaign against the Academy from working people in Wales we have to explicitly ask the question: If £14 billion can be given to Wales to fund war, in the form of the academy, then why can no billions be found to fund much more important public services that are being cut back because of "lack of funds".

That's lying though you can't do that just to build support for an otherwise good demo!
The £14 billion is the MoD's money. Why would the leaders of political parties in Wales ask for that to be spent on Welsh public services, when those services are not the MoD's responsibility to fund. Are you mad or just stupid?

Plaid hasn't openly supported this development but hasn't criticised it either, but individual Plaid members including elected representatives will be on this demo because it's the right thing to do. I did not appreciate you undermining us by 'linking' the demo to public services in Wales because it is poor politics and factually incorrect. You know full well that Wales runs its own public servuces but people coming from outside Wales onto this demo might not be aware of this and might get the wrong impression.

See you at the demo.
 
Plaid are a party wedded to a similar neoliberal trajectory to Labour

Bullshit, everything we have done in the devolved areas since we got into government has been in opposition to or in spite of neoliberalism. It isn't possible to promote a societal break with neoliberalism within a devolved administration with a set budget and limited powers, but the individual policies of the Assembly Govt are based on restoring and rebuilding the welfare state, whereas the policies of the Westminster govt are based on eroding the welfare state and mainly privatising public services.
 
That's lying though you can't do that just to build support for an otherwise good demo!
The £14 billion is the MoD's money. Why would the leaders of political parties in Wales ask for that to be spent on Welsh public services, when those services are not the MoD's responsibility to fund. Are you mad or just stupid?

Plaid hasn't openly supported this development but hasn't criticised it either, but individual Plaid members including elected representatives will be on this demo because it's the right thing to do. I did not appreciate you undermining us by 'linking' the demo to public services in Wales because it is poor politics and factually incorrect. You know full well that Wales runs its own public servuces but people coming from outside Wales onto this demo might not be aware of this and might get the wrong impression.

See you at the demo.

Lewislewis, stop trolling this thread!

Re. your points on Plaid, I'm happy to debate them on the Wales section of this board rather than here. Suffice to say, Plaid's longterm economic strategy is based on taxbreaks to multinationals and cutting corporation tax to rates that even Thatcher and Gordon Brown wouldn't contemplate, this can only mean a race-to-the-bottom and continuation of the low wage economy. Plaid's leaders repeatedly cite the Irish Celtic Tiger as a model where an economic boom was built on an increase of inequality and child poverty. But this debate is not generally relevant to getting people to the march on Saturday. Except to say that Plaid's support for the Military Academy itself reveals their link with the neoliberal agenda.

It's true that if the Welsh Assembly had opposed the Academy, it wouldn't have been scrapped but just built in England. Though if this happened the protest movement in England would be strengthened by being able to point to Wales rejecting it.

Lewislewis, even the LibDems put on their election leaflets that we should spend the billions spent on war on public services, so I'm not sure why you are getting all het up about me saying that we should say 'spend the money wasted on this Military Academy on public services'?

The money being spent on Trident, Iraq War, Military Academy is all given to the MoD by the government. It is the government who has chosen to spend £14 billion on a Military Academy, which is touted by the likes of Adam Price MP as being about economic regeneration of South Wales. Wouldn't it be great if Welsh politicians say we don't really want £14 billion spent on a Military Academy here, but we could do with some better public services?

I also think that raising the issue of military spending and the spending priorities of the mainstream parties is important in galvanising working people to seeing why this Academy is not in their interests.

Plaid hasn't openly supported this development but hasn't criticised it either, but individual Plaid members including elected representatives will be on this demo because it's the right thing to do

I'm sure many Plaid members are dismayed at their party's hypocrisy and cowardice over the academy, but Er, didn't Ieuan Wyn Jones slavishly welcome it in his capacity as Leader of Plaid, and how many Plaid elected representatives have publicly opposed this? er, just one! Some of Plaid's Left including leanne Wood have snubbed the campaign, while Adam Price MP has stated that he supports the Military Academy.

If Plaid had come out against the Academy it would have helped the campaign immensely.
 
Support the Raytheon 9

The trial of Derry Anti War Coalition activists, the Raytheon 9, is set to start on Monday May19th. It is to be held in Belfast. The trial was moved to Belfast after the Prosecution Service applied to have it moved; it argued that the Derry jury pool is likely to know too much about the campaign against Raytheon, including the non-violent direct action taken on 9th August 2006 and that any jury from Derry may be too sympathetic to the action and/or intimidated by the level of support for the Raytheon 9 because of all the protests held outside the court over the almost two years since the nine were arrested.

The Derry Anti War Coalition is confident that, wherever the trial is heard, there will be large demonstrations in support of the Nine and that any jury who hears the truth about what was happening in Lebanon when the action took place cannot but find that the Nine acted to stop war crimes and, therefore, committed no crime.

Anyone wishing to support the Raytheon 9 can do so in several ways:

Send a message of support to [email protected]
Organise a fundraiser for the defence fund
 
I just made a post reporting the way education is being reorientated towards the Military Academy in St Athan. With due respect, I only got sidetracked onto this subject because Lewislewis was attempting two typical squalid maneuvers: 1) Attempting to disassociate the Military Academy being built in South Wales from the political establishment in Wales, which can only weaken the movement 2) Making an ideological claim that the NHS is in a great state in Wales 3) Trying to justify a neoliberal programme of closing down schools. 4) Arguing that we shouldn't raise as a slogan that we would rather see billions spent in Wales on schools, hospitals, eliminating child poverty than the Military.

PS. Ddraig doesn't like Plaid being criticised because he is a nationalist. But it is difficult to see how you can campaign against the Academy without criticising Plaid given they have played a key and disgusting role in supporting it with not a single Plaid Cymru Councillor, MP or Assembly Member opposing it.

oh do fuck off and grow up udo
i keep giving you chances and am interested in this campaign but your extremly boring bashing of any other 'party' to yours is v v v tedious, can you not see that? even after it's been pointed out to you over and over and over.

you obviously give a shit udo but you don't half drag yourself and your arguments down with the pathetic point scoring. and you don't know me so don't try putting me in any boxes.
i don't want ot have to put you on ignore and miss the odd bit of decent info amongst your diatribes but you are wearing me out now.
 
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