MyFootballClub

[nuffsaid]

How on earth are all the voters going to know if -

a player is carrying an injury and should not play
needs a rest
feels a twinge and should be left out
could be on the bench for the second half
is ok to bring back in the reserves after injury
etc etc etc

Surely these decisions are made by the manager TALKING to the players.
There's no way the members will have that level of info.

As someone else said, not a bad idea for a club starting from scratch, hey even get Channel4 involved for a reality TV spin-off, but to takeover an existing club sounds really harsh on existing fans who now see their club reduced to a plaything for any tom dick and harry.

 

[JTG]

Enfield Town, AFC Wimbledon, Stockport County, Exeter City etc etc etc all run by their own fans

All employ a manager to make the decisions on playing matters.

This isn't a revolutionary experiment in fan democracy, it's a load of armchair fans playing about with something that is important to quite a few people

 

[Gromit]

How on earth are all the voters going to know if -

The 'Head Coach' will do a report before team selection. Members are supposed to read this report and then make their votes.

 

[g force]

Enfield Town, AFC Wimbledon, Stockport County, Exeter City etc etc etc all run by their own fans

All employ a manager to make the decisions on playing matters.

This isn't a revolutionary experiment in fan democracy, it's a load of armchair fans playing about with something that is important to quite a few people

Agreed but it was original dressed up as just that and think a lot of people gave money on that previso without looking at the small print.

 

[Gmart]

It's not 'the fans' though is it? It's a bunch of middle class nu football fans wanting to play Championship Manager with a real football club regardless of what the actual real dyed in the wool fans of that club want. Gravesend & Northfleet FC (to give them their correct name) have been around for decades and have a reasonably large number of people who've been watching them for years. Why should they have their club fucked around with by the sort of people who think Daniel Finklestein's column in the Times is something worthy of serious analysis?

Bollocks, all fans would be able to afford 25 quid, so your 'it's the middle class taking over at the expense of us proper working class fans' bullshit is just inverse snobbery, with the added bonus of being rubbish coz even the lowest paid fans could afford 25 quid.

 

[tommers]

Bollocks, all fans would be able to afford 25 quid, so your 'it's the middle class taking over at the expense of us proper working class fans' bullshit is just inverse snobbery, with the added bonus of being rubbish coz even the lowest paid fans could afford 25 quid.

we could ask Maurice if he has servants and a bowler hat. That'll clear things up.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

we could ask Maurice if he has servants and a bowler hat. That'll clear things up.

Not servants that I can spare. They're all busy ironing copies of the Times flat at the page where that marvellous Finkelstein chap shares the findings of his "Fink Tank". The man's a genius, you know. Reading his column removes any need to watch MOTD to keep up with the silly game.

 

[Gmart]

 

[Gromit]

Not servants that I can spare. They're all busy ironing copies of the Times flat at the page where that marvellous Finkelstein chap shares the findings of his "Fink Tank". The man's a genius, you know. Reading his column removes any need to watch MOTD to keep up with the silly game.

You spoil them. I only have one sevant to do all the newspaper ironing. If he moans and says he needs help I shout at him for being lazy before whipping him.

 

[TAE]

It's not 'the fans' though is it? It's a bunch of middle class nu football fans wanting to play Championship Manager with a real football club regardless of what the actual real dyed in the wool fans of that club want.

Agreed.

 

[Gmart]

Agreed.

Then #95 goes for you too, TAE

 

[JTG]

Bollocks, all fans would be able to afford 25 quid, so your 'it's the middle class taking over at the expense of us proper working class fans' bullshit is just inverse snobbery, with the added bonus of being rubbish coz even the lowest paid fans could afford 25 quid.

It's 35 quid and no, not everyone could afford it

even if my class point is wide of the mark, it's still pissing around with other people's club and I don't like it

 

[TAE]

Then #95 goes for you too, TAE

How many of the MFC lot cared about Ebbsfleet before the MFC thing started?

 

[Gmart]

How many of the MFC lot cared about Ebbsfleet before the MFC thing started?

I'm sure that you think that you know...

 

[revol68]

Crock of shit alternative marketting ploy for EA.

 

[Gmart]

Could easily free up the manager to just do his job with what he gets given.

The players meanwhile might play better safe in the knowledge that it is a pure performance based system, completely immune from manager/coach bias etc. the fans come and see you play, if you put in the effort they will notice it and select you for the next game.

No messing about really, and the manager will have subs to use as he sees fit during the game.

 

[Augie March]

Crock of shit alternative marketting ploy for EA.

They're behind it are they? Oh dear, this whole thing really is a joke. Can't imagine it's all that funny for the real supporters of the club though.

 

[Spion]

It's not 'the fans' though is it? It's a bunch of middle class nu football fans wanting to play Championship Manager with a real football club regardless of what the actual real dyed in the wool fans of that club want.

The existing fans have every chance to take part, don't they?

And what chance do most fans get to exercise their opinion with the normal ownership structure of football clubs? Most times clubs are passed from one millionaire or local scrap metal dealer to another without any say from any fans.

And since when was owning a PC and £35 a sign of being middle class? (as if that mattered a fuck anyway - football stadiums are full of middle class people)

Needless to say, I think it'll be an interesting thing to keep an eye on

 

[Onket]

Then #95 goes for you too, TAE

Post number 95 is bollocks though. How can you say that everyone can afford £25? And as JTG pointed out, it's £35.

And since when has something being affordable make it acceptable? Even if it was, which it isn't, not to everyone.

 

[Spion]

How can you say that everyone can afford £25? And as JTG pointed out, it's £35.

You're having a laugh, right?

 

[Augie March]

The existing fans have every chance to take part, don't they?

And what chance do most fans get to exercise their opinion with the normal ownership structure of football clubs? Most times clubs are passed from one millionaire or local scrap metal dealer to another without any say from any fans.

They may have a chance to take part, but considering the size of the club, they're hardly going to be in the majority of the 20,000 people involved are they? Instead, the club will mostly be run by people who probably really couldn't give a fuck about Ebbsfleet United. Now me personally, I wouldn't want a bunch of random people having a say in the running of the team I supported, simply because they stumped up £35 for the privilege of doing so.

If anything, I'd perfer the millionaire scrap yard owner, because at least he would know who he was investing in the first place and would more than likely give a fuck if the money he invested went down the pan. How many of Ebbsfleet's new 'owners' would care less if they wrote off the money they invested, as soon as the club's results dip and the team starts plunging down the table?

 

[Onket]

You're having a laugh, right?

Er, no.

 

[Spion]

They may have a chance to take part, but considering the size of the club, they're hardly going to be in the majority of the 20,000 people involved are they?

They have more chance to have a say and to influence the majority than if a club, sorry company, is privately owned

Instead, the club will mostly be run by people who probably really couldn't give a fuck about Ebbsfleet United. Now me personally, I wouldn't want a bunch of random people having a say in the running of the team I supported, simply because they stumped up £35 for the privilege of doing so.

You'd rather one did, after stumping up his millions. I see

If it was your club wouldn't you organise at games to get fans to have their say?

If anything, I'd perfer the millionaire scrap yard owner, because at least he would know who he was investing in the first place and would more than likely give a fuck if the money he invested went down the pan. How many of Ebbsfleet's new 'owners' would care less if they wrote off the money they invested, as soon as the club's results dip and the team starts plunging down the table?

Sorry, I forgot that football is littered with owners that have fans interests at heart

I say wait and see. It might work, it might not.

 

[Augie March]

They have more chance to have a say and to influence the majority than if a club, sorry company, is privately owned

How exactly do you think the local fans of Ebbsfleet are going to infulence the 20,000 odd random people who could be from anywhere in the country? And why do you think anyone who invested in the club are going to listen to the voices of these fans anyway?

It's a simple case of numbers mate: 20,000 investors and a 5,011 capicity of Ebbsfleet Utd's ground. Who is going to have more say in the club, the fans of the club or the investors? And how is this idea any different to having a bunch of anonymous share-holders involved in running a club? The answer is, it's not.

Sorry, I forgot that football is littered with owners that have fans interests at heart

No, it's not. But how do you know any of the 20,000 people who invested have the fans interest at heart either? Especially given that in a year's time, they'd have all fucked off.

As I've said before, the whole idea is a joke and if it does go wrong, I'd pretty much bet nobody involved in this project will be around to help pick up the pieces. Let's not forget, this is a professional football club, with people's actual livelihoods on the line, it isn't a managment sim with no consequences.

 

[Spion]

How exactly do you think the local fans of Ebbsfleet are going to infulence the 20,000 odd random people who could be from anywhere in the country?

How do any fans influence any owner? Mostly they don't. At least here they potentially have a vote on all sorts of matters

Who is going to have more say in the club, the fans of the club or the investors?

So, the fans had control before did they? No, I thought not

And how is this idea any different to having a bunch of anonymous share-holders involved in running a club? The answer is, it's not.

Do shareholders generally 'have an equal say in team selection, player transfers and the running of the club'? Not that I know of

Your position is a strange and conservative one. You'd rather have some single rich bloke owning a club rather than a large number of people - including fans - who have a say in club/team affairs. And you're talking as if the club has somehow been forced to do this. They haven't

 

[JTG]

hey let's experiment with some team we've never heard of because who gives a shit if it all goes wrong and we end up fucking up a town's football club!

and yes, £35 isn't something everyone can just produce Mr Spion.

 

[Spion]

hey let's experiment with some team we've never heard of because who gives a shit if it all goes wrong and we end up fucking up a town's football club!

Single individual rich blokes do it all the time - I think this is far better than that. You're making out the club/company had no say in it and they they won't get a bunch of money invested too.

and yes, £35 isn't something everyone can just produce Mr Spion.

Of course, not everyone can, Mr JTG, but in general £35 as a one off payment is not beyond many people's reach. The local charvers round here go through that on cases of Stella a week.

And people do spend ridiculous amounts following their clubs

 

[Augie March]

How do any fans influence any owner? Mostly they don't. At least here they potentially have a vote on all sorts of matters

So, the fans had control before did they? No, I thought not

Do shareholders generally 'have an equal say in team selection, player transfers and the running of the club'? Not that I know of

Your position is a strange and conservative one. You'd rather have some single rich bloke owning a club rather than a large number of people - including fans - who have a say in club/team affairs. And you're talking as if the club has somehow been forced to do this. They haven't

Okay, let's put it this way. In selection of the team and transfers, they'll have a voting system through the website I'd imagine yes? So in that voting system, the actual fans will not have any majority over the decisions being made. Instead it's in the hands of random people, with potentially no connection to the club or the local area whatsoever, to have a majority say in the decisions. With the added bonus, that these people will only be around for a year and have only invested £35 of their own money in the project. So just how much of their heart and soul do you think they're actually going to be putting into Ebbsfleet United?

Fuck, who knows if these people are even that much of football fans, they might just've fancied a go at running a club for a bit of fun. To repeat, it's a dumb idea.

 

[Spion]

hey let's experiment with some team we've never heard of because who gives a shit if it all goes wrong and we end up fucking up a town's football club!

Were they forced to accept the £700,000?

 

[Spion]

Okay, let's put it this way. In selection of the team and transfers, they'll have a voting system through the website I'd imagine yes? So in that voting system, the actual fans will not have any majority over the decisions being made. Instead it's in the hands of random people, with potentially no connection to the club or the local area whatsoever, to have a majority say in the decisions. With the added bonus, that these people will only be around for a year and have only invested £35 of their own money in the project. So just how much of their heart and soul do you think they're actually going to be putting into Ebbsfleet United?

Fuck, who knows if these people are even that much of football fans, they might just've fancied a go at running a club for a bit of fun. To repeat, it's a dumb idea.

So, Ebbsfleet have moved from a situation where no fans have any say to where some fans can have a say. And have moved from a situation where where chairman and manager (not necessarily passionate or connected or having heart and soul etc etc) are the only ones exercising control over club matters to a situation where thousands of people (including fans) are.

That you defend the status quo baffles me. This could be a model for colective/community control of clubs