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strung_out said:
'sorry, you're not a member, you can't have a say in how your club is run'... :rolleyes:

they're free to become members if they want - and have a democratic vote.
 
Final said:
It's all relative.

Spurs are currently owned/controlled by someone with very deep pockets.
For them, being taken over by this scheme would be a step backwards.

However, for a team further down the league struggling for investment, this would be a step forwards.

If membership reached 20m members worldwide all chipping in £35 a year...

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Also - membership isn't capped or closed.
Once club X is taken over, all the fans of that club will be free to sign up (if they so wish).

So you basically are in a position where you are telling fans of lower league clubs what would be good for them but not wanting your own to be taken over?

Yes the fans can sign up - but their influence will be completely watered down won't it - They won't have a say over their own club any more than someone who doesn't go to games or even know the name of the ground.

Imagine if Daniel Levy said - "right oh my little media darling supporting munchkins, a load of arsenal fans are picking the team from now on ...but it's ok! - For £35 you can help them! - The years of support and finance you have provided mean nothing by the way"

You cannot concieve of your club being taken over, so from your position of safety you half think about how it will be 'good' for some other team that is nice and distant.

It's not instantly good to be flooded with money despite what you may think. The scheme will likely cause disonance aand fracture the fanbase - just like takeovers like Glazer's and those of Salzburg etc have done. Yes, the method or intent might not be as explicitely corporate as those, but it is equally blithe about the club and it's import to it's local community. You could be sending your £35 to help out a team trying to run its self through a supporters trust, not lecturing other fans on 'what's good for them' because it will provide a bit of fun for you.
 
tangerinedream said:
So you basically are in a position where you are telling fans of lower league clubs what would be good for them but not wanting your own to be taken over?

Yes the fans can sign up - but their influence will be completely watered down won't it - They won't have a say over their own club any more than someone who doesn't go to games or even know the name of the ground.

Imagine if Daniel Levy said - "right oh my little media darling supporting munchkins, a load of arsenal fans are picking the team from now on ...but it's ok! - For £35 you can help them! - The years of support and finance you have provided mean nothing by the way"

You cannot concieve of your club being taken over, so from your position of safety you half think about how it will be 'good' for some other team that is nice and distant.

It's not instantly good to be flooded with money despite what you may think. The scheme will likely cause disonance aand fracture the fanbase - just like takeovers like Glazer's and those of Salzburg etc have done. Yes, the method or intent might not be as explicitely corporate as those, but it is equally blithe about the club and it's import to it's local community. You could be sending your £35 to help out a team trying to run its self through a supporters trust, not lecturing other fans on 'what's good for them' because it will provide a bit of fun for you.

lol - I didn't say I didn't want my club taken over. I said that I wouldn't want them taken over by someone with less cash to invest than the current owners. (eta: currently very pleased with the amount of cash being thrown into Spurs. Joe Lewis, Daniel Levy - I salute you! )

Yes, some people might do silly things with their votes, but it'd take a huge percentage of them to make any impact.

All your other criticisms are equally valid in any take over situation.
 
How are all 50,000+ members going to watch the games, in order to be able to vote?

Surely they won't be able to, and as such it will be a sham and piss off both players and yer actual fans.

Does that not bother you? Or should they just be grateful for your £35 and shut up?
 
tangerinedream said:
How are all 50,000+ members going to watch the games, in order to be able to vote?

Surely they won't be able to, and as such it will be a sham and piss off both players and yer actual fans.

Does that not bother you? Or should they just be grateful for your £35 and shut up?


Some will no doubt pay to go to the games (maybe buying a replica shirt while they're there), thus providing better attendances and more merchandising revenue.

Other than that, the head coach will provide reports and reviews etc.

http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/faq.php
 
Chorlton said:
Coming next year to a wadded-up flash mob - MyAfricanTown.com - have a say in economic policies, vote on penal-reforms - should we allow exxon to drill for oil? YOU DECIDE!

Sounds good. Where do I sign up?
 
Final said:
Some will no doubt pay to go to the games (maybe buying a replica shirt while they're there), thus providing better attendances and more merchandising revenue.

Other than that, the head coach will provide reports and reviews etc.

http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/faq.php

So would you be happy if Spurs' team was picked by a lot of people reading match reports. Would that be better than if Martin Jol did it? Would that be something you'd want to see at 'the Lane'?
 
mk12 said:
I agree with the idea of more support control, but of their own clubs, not someone elses.
Exactly.

By all means, people can become members of the club they support and get involved, but no-one should take over some other club via the internet as if it were a football management computer game.
 
So, Ebbsfleet United. Conference side in Kent. I've spent £30 on very silly things before but the right to have a small statistical influence on the formation of Ebbsfleet United for a season has to be the daftest.

To be fair, I failed to read the small print and thought that I was buying a sellable interest.
 
tommers said:
what have you bought then? how come it's only for a year?

As far as I understand, now that I am sober, MFC sells memberships. A membership lasts for a year, although current memberships will expire a year from the date that Ebbsfleet is purchased.

Newer members have exactly the same voting rights as older members. The question of who determines the content and wording of referenda is, unsurprisingly, murky.
 
I don't think there will be many MFC members after the first year.
Its a one year gimmick to say that you are a football club owner, or were once a football club owner.

However say the model works and you take the club all the way from the conference to the championship what do you get as your reward? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.

Meanwhile the guys behind the idea are probably paying themselves tidy little salaries and will be getting kickbacks all supported by the mug members.
 
Maurice Picarda said:
As far as I understand, now that I am sober, MFC sells memberships. A membership lasts for a year, although current memberships will expire a year from the date that Ebbsfleet is purchased.

Newer members have exactly the same voting rights as older members. The question of who determines the content and wording of referenda is, unsurprisingly, murky.

oh. I thought you were actually buying a club, not just a club for a year. Seems to be a bit of a money making exercise - rather than the grassroots, "supporter owned football club" that seemed to be what was on offer.
 
tommers said:
oh. I thought you were actually buying a club, not just a club for a year. Seems to be a bit of a money making exercise - rather than the grassroots, "supporter owned football club" that seemed to be what was on offer.

Yes, quite. I couldn't agree more with Marius about the likely membership curve and feel a bit sorry for the Ebbsfleet support who will have to shell out £35 a year in addition to their season tickets to keep their club afloat and an Internet chancer in clover.
 
I really can't see how it would work

It says the members have a say in transfers

Now, to do that, all members will need to know how much the player costs, how much will go to the agent, and how much the players salery will be, so they can make a decision

That'd be a fucking nightmare to organise, and all that information would probably be confidential

I reckon once you join, you might not have that much say in how the club is run
 
OMG!

Cambridge United Footie Legends running show!

(Alan Kimble and Liam Daish formed part of our defence during the glory days of the early 1990s.)
 
JTG said:
that buys you a whole lot of 'admin' eh.

They need to keep some aside for due dillegence audits and solicitors, not forgetting T&S for the jollies to various grounds to discuss the proposals.

Still I bet there is a fair bit left over afterwards.
 
Well as long as they have audited accounts to show any leftover goes back into the club it won't be a problem. But I suspect that will be filed under "misc expenses"...
 
As an Ebbsfleet season ticket holder, shareholder etc I am a little shellshocked at the moment.

Changing the name of the team was a bridge too far for some people - I don't know what to think about this latest development.
 
Maurice Picarda said:
As far as I understand, now that I am sober, MFC sells memberships. A membership lasts for a year, although current memberships will expire a year from the date that Ebbsfleet is purchased.
That sounds a bit like how it works in Germany, except that the members in Germany tend to have a personal connection with (and full control over) the club.
 
Sounds like the Barca system too in that each member (note not season ticket holder) gets a vote for the president. But although in theory there's control over spending etc the reality is very different. That is the only explanation to signing Bogarde and Cocu in one season.
 
I think it's a great idea. Get the fans to choose the formation by democratic clicks of the mouse, and then get them to vote for which player they want to fill each position, with the stats provided by the coaching staff. So, if a player is only 80% fit, then this information would be communicated to the website so that the vote can reflect this situation. All the manager would have to do would be to train the players, maybe give scores as to their current fitness levels, and then issue the teamsheet given. Of course there would have to be a cut off point where the internet stops and the manager starts, say an hour before the match, to take into account any injuries or illnesses that might happen in that time, but even that would be scrutinised later on the website. You would need someone to setup the site well and in tandem with the manager.

Would facilitate finance as well, meaning that better players could be bought, though I don't see how this could be done by the fans bar sending someone you know for a trial for the club. that could be done online, using the fanbase as a resource for weeding out decent players who might have been overlooked by other clubs.
 
Gmarthews said:
I think it's a great idea. Get the fans to choose the formation by democratic clicks of the mouse, and then get them to vote for which player they want to fill each position, with the stats provided by the coaching staff.

It's not 'the fans' though is it? It's a bunch of middle class nu football fans wanting to play Championship Manager with a real football club regardless of what the actual real dyed in the wool fans of that club want. Gravesend & Northfleet FC (to give them their correct name) have been around for decades and have a reasonably large number of people who've been watching them for years. Why should they have their club fucked around with by the sort of people who think Daniel Finklestein's column in the Times is something worthy of serious analysis?
 
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