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My Xbox 360 has died

Indeed although the failure rate is higher I think. Mine was on its side, with nothing near it on the tv shelf...
 
About 30% seems to be the general estimate, although MS won't of course release the info. The most generous put current returns at 16%, with the rate likely to rise further, this warranty company believing that they'll see worse. This compares to a historical console failure rate of about 3%-4%, which is about what the wii and ps3 are currently returning at. More details from the geeks at Arstechnica here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080214-xbox-360-failure-rates-worse-than-most-consumer-electornics.html

It's fortunate that MS has such deep pockets to cover returns and extend the warranty period to try and give some confidence. But the faults with this processor platform and heat were well known - MS seems to have released the console with high fail rates virtually assured, gambling that tying customers in and first mover advantage would outweigh reliability for the buyer. Pretty shitty behaviour really, using massive cash reserves to buy your way into a market. You can't blame the users for their shoddy products failing.
 
tommers said:
You're victim blaming. :D
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No.. just wondering if there's a reason why people who have one that fail seem to have several that fail.

The simple fact of the matter is that they shouldn't fail, so I'm hardly blaming the victim for wondering if there's a common factor to the failures.
 
tarannau said:
About 30% seems to be the general estimate, although MS won't of course release the info. The most generous put current returns at 16%, with the rate likely to rise further, this warranty company believing that they'll see worse. This compares to a historical console failure rate of about 3%-4%, which is about what the wii and ps3 are currently returning at. More details from the geeks at Arstechnica here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080214-xbox-360-failure-rates-worse-than-most-consumer-electornics.html

It's fortunate that MS has such deep pockets to cover returns and extend the warranty period to try and give some confidence. But the faults with this processor platform and heat were well known - MS seems to have released the console with high fail rates virtually assured, gambling that tying customers in and first mover advantage would outweigh reliability for the buyer. Pretty shitty behaviour really, using massive cash reserves to buy your way into a market. You can't blame the users for their shoddy products failing.
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If you put as much effort into things other than hating MS, you could be ruling the world by now ;)
 
ChrisFilter said:
No.. just wondering if there's a reason why people who have one that fail seem to have several that fail.

The simple fact of the matter is that they shouldn't fail, so I'm hardly blaming the victim for wondering if there's a common factor to the failures.
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There is a common factor though - Xboxes are shite.

The end :)
 
ChrisFilter said:
"Xboxes are better gaming machines than the PS3. They just break far, far too often."

that's better :)
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Strange dichotomy between your understanding of what "better" means and mine there in this context CF.

I take better to mean, "I switch on my console, select a game and play it for a while", not sit there looking at my red ring and the stack of games that i can't play anymore.
 
ChrisFilter said:
If you put as much effort into things other than hating MS, you could be ruling the world by now ;)
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Not hate, but you've got to say it's hardly the actions of a company that gives a shit about its customers. I sympathise with those tied into the xbox system, but I'm sure as hell not going to recommend the console to new punters with their antics in mind.

It's a shit product and you know it. It's nearly scandalous to release something roughly ten times more likely to fail than competitor products and other consoles - it's a tale of ineptness a bit like GM's Corsair, although fortunately it's a bit harder to crash a console and die. They've only had to put aside a mere billion to cover returns and accept massive divisional losses for years, which ain't exactly signs of a particularly fair competitor with a good product.
 
In the last week I have had hours and hours of fun playing Halo, Gears, Fable, Street Fighter II HD, Left 4 Dead....you just haven't got that kind of quality on PS3.
 
Fucking Fan Boi spats :rolleyes:

PS3 is superior in hardware and capabilities cause PS3 is a next gen console, but it hasn't been utilised fully yet in the games world.
Suffers from a small % of Blueray drive failures.

Xbox360 has great capabilities for a last gen console and has been fully utilised and has a fantastic game collection.
Suffers from a significant % of overheating failures.

Both are completely different to each other and shouldn't be judged against each other.

I'm not a fan of either as I prefer to play games via PC, but you cant get this on your PS3.......

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;)
 
Addy said:
Xbox360 has great capabilities for a last gen console and has been fully utilised and has a fantastic game collection.
Suffers from a significant % of overheating failures.

Both are completely different to each other and shouldn't be judged against each other.
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Not sure I agree, I know the Xbox360 came out well before the PS3 but they are both of the same generation of consoles.

I quite wanted to jump from 360 to PS3 but the PS3 games did not interest me so I shall stick to 360.
 
elbows said:
Not sure I agree, I know the Xbox360 came out well before the PS3 but they are both of the same generation of consoles.



I quite wanted to jump from 360 to PS3 but the PS3 games did not interest me so I shall stick to 360.
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The hardware in the PS3 is way more superior than the 360.
Its like comparing a Pentium 3 CPU to a Pentium 4
360's were out on 2005, PS3's came out 3 years later.
Tottaly a different generation of console IMO.

I know what your saying Chris, I've wittnessed it and not got involved cause its all bollox.

FWIW I think the Wii is a fantastic console yet others will slate it but who really gives a fuck?
Its all personal preferance.
:)
 
Addy said:
The hardware in the PS3 is way more superior than the 360.
Its like comparing a Pentium 3 CPU to a Pentium 4
360's were out on 2005, PS3's came out 3 years later.
Tottaly a different generation of console IMO.
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And the ps3 still loses out, head to head.

So when's MS answer the PS3 coming out then? Or are the generations too muddled now?

The 360 has at least 2 years left in it... not much more for the PS3 I wouldn't have thought.

For me, they're the same gen. Sony just got it's priorities wrong.
 
TBH I dont think any developer had even scratched the surface of the PS3's capabilities......yet.
Sony's biggest downfall is the price of the console.
If it was priced in the same legue as the 360 then I think it would be a more houshold product and software developers would pay more interest.

I'm not saying by any means that the 360 is a poor console (failures aside) I just reckon the PS3 has a longer lifespan and there are possibilities to make some fantastic games. (eye candy for those who need it)

Myself, I prefer the playabillity and addictiveness of a game over graphics any day..... s'all personal preferance
 
But then if MS release an Xbox 720 with backwards compatability then the PS3 hasn't got a hope in hell when it comes to eye candy.
 
ChrisFilter said:
But then if MS release an Xbox 720 with backwards compatability then the PS3 hasn't got a hope in hell when it comes to eye candy.
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Agree'd, but that would be a console built from a different generation of hardware. (and there isn't one yet so its speculation)

Sony also has a slight edge in the PS3/PSP intergration along with free online gaming... and also free multiple downloads of paid for software (account driven), whereas if your 360 got RROD or a H/D failure you would still have to re-purchase any downloaded content.

Like I said, there 2 seperate entities and cant really be compared as they both have a fair list of pro's and con's.
 
Addy said:
Sony also has a slight edge in the PS3/PSP intergration along with free online gaming... and also free multiple downloads of paid for software (account driven), whereas if your 360 got RROD or a H/D failure you would still have to re-purchase any downloaded content.
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Yes re: psp

hmm re: free gaming (I'd rather pay a minimal amount for a decent service than have a free sub-par service)

no re: having to repurchase. I sold my first 360 a year ago. I got a new one for xmas, and all my purchased stuff was available to download for free.
 
ChrisFilter said:
No.. just wondering if there's a reason why people who have one that fail seem to have several that fail.

The simple fact of the matter is that they shouldn't fail, so I'm hardly blaming the victim for wondering if there's a common factor to the failures.
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the big smiley face was a clue to how serious I was. :)

anyway, just looked and it's back on Monday so I'll see you on the football pitch then...
 
I thought my 360 had died last night, I did have a chuckle to myself. Anyway, turns out my Mrs had unseated the HDD during a fight with the TV aerial. Once I'd seated it properly it booted without a problem.

"Typical" I thought... and probably well deserved.

Then I beat Everton 2-0, at Goodison, in the semi-final of the FA Cup as Leicester... I was so happy I nearly shed a tear.
 
ChrisFilter said:
And the ps3 still loses out, head to head.

So when's MS answer the PS3 coming out then? Or are the generations too muddled now?

The 360 has at least 2 years left in it... not much more for the PS3 I wouldn't have thought.

For me, they're the same gen. Sony just got it's priorities wrong.
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Well...I see the 360 and PS3 as part of the same generation in the same way the Dreamcast and PS2 where...

In terms of the 360's life expectancy I'd seriously doubt it's stopping any time soon.

MS have said they have no plans for another console yet, the Wii just can't be caught but isn't the same type of competition (360 is big online experience, great graphics, traditional console gaming) and the PS3 is just getting going. I'd wager the 360 will have something like a 6/7 year peak life with a 10 or so over all. I reckon MS are going to keep refining it, add to it to extend it's life (MS are rumoured to be looking at releasing the PVR and freeview extension at somepoint in the next 18 months) etc..
 
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