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My Fake Baby..........

poster342002 said:
I note people's comments that these dolls looked like "dead babies" ... it's actually worse than that but it took me a while to work out why. To me, they look more like not-yet-living babies, if that makes sense. They reminded me of weird bodies somehow born without any kind of "life essense" or personality/soul/call it what you will in them. Sort of like pre-living empty vessels.

It's hard to put into words. Does anyone else see what I'm trying to say?
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Is it something about the bosses? :confused:
 
Louloubelle said:
In the US many funeral parlours have business arrangements with reborn doll artists and offer the chance to buy a reborn doll to bereaved parents who have lost a baby.

I have no idea if this is a helpful or damaging thing in terms of helping someone to grieve for the loss of their child but they are sold as a kind of substitute for counselling / therapy to very vulnerable people in the US

Well obviously I do have some thoughts on the subject and I don't think that a doll, no matter how realistic or masterfully crafted, can be a substitute for talking about loss and I worry that they might inhibit grieving through facilitating denial.

Thread about it here

http://www.mumszone.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-28188.html
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Thanks for that.

* weeps
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
I wondered too whether the daughter was reclaiming her child by moving so far away, chance for a new life with her child and to be mum where she hadnt been... leaving grandma childless and with no 'harry' to mother
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I thought that as well, and what I also thought was strange was the grandmother didn't seem overly bothered about her own daughter being so far away, just the grandson :confused:
 
She didn't seem to realise how lucky she was to still have her daughter. Her cry of pain when her husband said he thought it looked like something on a mortuary slab was real enough though. But he was right.
 
I reckon the freaked out hubbies should get a blow up doll in the shape of their favorite porn star and start banging away on that

Just pretending, like

:D
 
:( :(
I think I can identify a teeny bit with that Louloubelle.
One of my best friends lost her baby to meningitis, aged just 10 days, she had died at home in her sleep.
She never realised that when she held her before going to the mortuary would be the final time she would see or hold her baby, after the post mortem she was told it was just not a good idea to see her.
I think had she had the ability to hold her again one more time she would have taken it so many times, she even talked of one night going to the grave and wanting to dig her up and take her home and knowing she couldnt but the primal need to do so was so strong she scratched at the earth with her bare hands.
I dont think many of us are in a position to judge someone who bought such a replica doill in those circumstances, they wouldnt be under any illusions it wasnt their baby.
 
Louloubelle said:
In the US many funeral parlours have business arrangements with reborn doll artists and offer the chance to buy a reborn doll to bereaved parents who have lost a baby.

I have no idea if this is a helpful or damaging thing in terms of helping someone to grieve for the loss of their child but they are sold as a kind of substitute for counselling / therapy to very vulnerable people in the US

Well obviously I do have some thoughts on the subject and I don't think that a doll, no matter how realistic or masterfully crafted, can be a substitute for talking about loss and I worry that they might inhibit grieving through facilitating denial.

Thread about it here

http://www.mumszone.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-28188.html
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My GF mentoned that too. I'm also of the opinion that such dolls would probably be more damagng than not - but I could be wrong.

People getting these dolls in those circumstances would be very different to the women in this programme.
 
I saw this last night but wasn't able to get online.

Very disturbing - I too thought it a joke at first :eek:

how much do these dollies cost? at first I thought these women should go and 'buy' a real baby and adopt it as they do in the States - or get a dog.

But then I realised they wouldn't want anything that spoke or (shat) back :D


I have 3 kids and I have never scrubbed the pram wheels - maybe I is a slut. :(

but then - I never liked dollies anyway :D
 
I was talking to a woman in Primark today whose cousin was on this show, but I don't know which one. She called her own cousin a freak though :eek:
I'm slightly shocked by some of your reactions, why so outraged? Admittedly I sat screaming EWWWWW at the telly for an hour, but everybody's different. Why assume this is something dangerous and pathological? All of the women seemed eccentric, but since when is that something that has to be addressed and stamped out? The only woman on the show who struck me as sad (in the original sense) was the grandmother. Are there suddenly rigid guidelines for dealing with grief that I'm not aware of? Don't be so uptight about oddness you lot.
 
Louloubelle said:
In the US many funeral parlours have business arrangements with reborn doll artists and offer the chance to buy a reborn doll to bereaved parents who have lost a baby.

I have no idea if this is a helpful or damaging thing in terms of helping someone to grieve for the loss of their child but they are sold as a kind of substitute for counselling / therapy to very vulnerable people in the US

Well obviously I do have some thoughts on the subject and I don't think that a doll, no matter how realistic or masterfully crafted, can be a substitute for talking about loss and I worry that they might inhibit grieving through facilitating denial.

Thread about it here

http://www.mumszone.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-28188.html
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The striking difference, though is that the grieving mothers quoted in that link refer to the dolls as dolls, while the women portrayed on that TV show referred to the dolls as babies...

I found the show very thought provoking. I was touched by the men's somewhat bewildered yet non-judgmental support for their womenfolk.

The woman who scrubbed her pram wheels did seem to have some understanding that she would not be a happy mother, and this was her way of coping with her desire to coddle and enjoy her version of what a baby could be for her. In this respect there seemed, to me, to be a kind of wisdom in her choice to collect Reborns.

The grieving grandmother seemed to be becoming more stuck, more entrenched in her grief for her grandson rather than less so. The lady who had a houseful of dollies was supporting her in the fetishisation, it seemed to me, and she (the grandmother) appeared to turn away from her husband and towards the dolly lady. So rather than taking real-life support for her real grief, she preferred to be supported in her phantasy.

The show was a kind of window into the worlds of a couple of people who were trying to find a way to cope with some awful wound. We all find our own way to do this.

My sister fetishises babies. I understand the reasons for her need to dote on newborns (it comes from her own infancy), but it disturbs me. What disturbs me most is the fact that while she focusses on babies as she does, she is always and continually distracted from her own wounds, and thus will never address them or come to heal them.

But, as I say, we each find our own ways to cope with our stuff.
 
 
Theres a messageboard that someone on another forum I use has found.
Its called Doll chit chat ( I think) and some of the people on there appear to not know where fantasy ends and reality begins. Its really quite worrying... threads about terrible twos( describing naughty 'babies) complete with pics.
Trips out... heres baby with daddy on the bus...

and one where a lady was asked to fold her buggy since it was a doll, got highly upset and it ended with other forumites reassuring her they were like the suffragettes, fighting for what they believed in and complaining to the bus company... you can just imagine the phone call...

Harrys gran posted on one thread about the Fake baby show too
 
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Jesus H Christ. I would hate to see the anatomically incorrect one.
 
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