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An acquaintance of mine who had never left Britain was forced by her HR department to get a passport on pain of being sacked.

The requirement is for employers to ensure that employees have the right to work in the UK. A passport is the easiest way, but a 'package' of birth certificate, driving licence etc etc would be enough.

She would have won an ET if she had been sacked, IMHO...
 
The number of NI numbers on the data base is somewhat of a cause for concern:-

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm070917/text/70917w0029.htm
National Insurance
Chris Grayling: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions (1) how many national insurance numbers there are in the national insurance database; [149960]

(2) how many people are registered in the national insurance database. [149961]

Mr. Plaskitt: From the latest information available there are 76,719,264 national insurance numbers on the customer information system, not including child reference numbers.
 
The law on this changed at the beginning of May 2004. These are the checks/documents that employers have to carry out to prevent illegal working:

LIST 1
Documents which provide the defence if produced
alone

Any one of the documents included below in List 1 will provide you with the
defence if you check and copy them, and follow all of the steps on pages 4–5.
 A passport showing that the holder is a British citizen, or has a right of
abode in the United Kingdom.
 A document showing that the holder is a national of a European Economic
Area country (listed on pages 10–11) or Switzerland. This must be a
national passport or national identity card.
 A residence permit issued by the Home Office to a national from a
European Economic Area country or Switzerland.
 A passport or other document issued by the Home Office which has an
endorsement stating that the holder has a current right of residence in the
United Kingdom as the family member of a national from a European
Economic Area country or Switzerland who is resident in the United
Kingdom.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder can
stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom, or has no time limit on their stay.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder can
stay in the United Kingdom; and that this endorsement allows the holder to
do the type of work you are offering if they do not have a work permit.
 An Application Registration Card issued by the Home Office to an asylum
seeker stating that the holder is permitted to take employment.
Once you have checked one of these documents from your potential employee,
there is no need to ask for any further documents contained in List 2.

LIST 2
Documents which provide the defence if produced
in combination

List 2 covers the combinations of documents which will provide you with the
defence if you follow all of the steps on pages 4–5. Once you have done this,
you do not need to ask for any further documents contained in List 1.
You will not have the defence if you see one document from the first
combination and one from the second combination.
First combination
A A document giving the person’s permanent National Insurance Number and
name. This could be a: P45, P60, National Insurance card, or a letter from
a Government agency.
Along with checking and copying a document giving the person’s
National Insurance Number, you must also check and copy only one
of the following documents listed in sections B–H:
B a full birth certificate issued in the United Kingdom, which includes the
names of the holder’s parents; OR
C a birth certificate issued in the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man or Ireland;
OR
D a certificate of registration or naturalisation stating that the holder is
a British citizen; OR
E a letter issued by the Home Office to the holder which indicates that the
person named in it can stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom, or has no
time limit on their stay; OR
F an Immigration Status Document issued by the Home Office to the
holder with an endorsement indicating that the person named in it can
stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom, or has no time limit on their stay;
OR
G a letter issued by the Home Office to the holder which indicates that the
person named in it can stay in the United Kingdom, and this allows them
to do the type of work you are offering; OR
H an Immigration Status Document issued by the Home Office to the holder
with an endorsement indicating that the person named in it can stay in
the United Kingdom, and this allows them to do the type of work you
are offering.
Second combination
A A work permit or other approval to take employment that has been issued
by Work Permits UK.
Along with a document issued by Work Permits UK, you should also
check and copy one of the following documents listed at B–C:
B a passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder is
able to stay in the United Kingdom and can take the work permit
employment in question; OR
C a letter issued by the Home Office to the holder confirming that the person
named in it is able to stay in the United Kingdom and can take the work
permit employment in question.
None of the document descriptions contained in List 1 and List 2 reflect the
precise wording contained in the law. If you would like to obtain a full legal
description of the changes, this will be available in the booklet the Home
Office will be producing alongside this guidance (see page 6 for details).

Documents that will no longer provide you with any
part of your defence

There may be some documents that you routinely check at present to establish
the defence which will be removed entirely from both List 1 and List 2
when the changes come into force. You should no longer check for the
following documents from 1 May 2004:
 a Home Office Standard Acknowledgement Letter or Immigration Service
Letter (IS96W) which states that an asylum seeker can work in the United
Kingdom. If you are presented with these documents then you should
advise the applicant to call the Home Office on 0151 237 6375 for
information about how they can apply for an Application Registration Card;
 a letter issued by the Home Office stating that the holder is a British citizen;
 a passport describing the holder as a British Dependent Territories Citizen
which states that the holder has a connection with Gibraltar;
 a short birth certificate issued in the United Kingdom which does not have
details of one of the holder’s parents;
 a card or certificate issued by the Inland Revenue under the Construction
Industry Scheme.
The following documents have never been acceptable as proof of a person’s
right to work in the United Kingdom, and should not form any part of your
checks under section 8:
 a temporary National Insurance Number beginning with TN, or any
number which ends with the letters from E to Z inclusive;
 a driving licence issued by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency;
 a bill issued by a financial institution or a utility company.
Produced by IND Corporate Communications. April 2004

Soz for the long c&p :o
 
that's obviously how they're intending to sort out the pensions crisis then is it? get millions of extra illegal immigrants to pay national insurance contributions, but be really tight with who can actually claim benefits / pensions.

cunning:hmm:


(side note, which smiley got replaced then?)
 
An acquaintance of mine who had never left Britain was forced by her HR department to get a passport on pain of being sacked.

She had to pay for the passport but got time off for the interview with the Home Office to check that she wasn't a schemer from Lagos masquerading as a Livingstonian schemie.


I reckon, if your colleague can get a couple of the 'combination' docs from cesare's list, she should take them to HR and demand they recompense her for the cost of the passport.
 
If the store your personal information I expect they'll need to be reigstered with the data protection registratar (but maybe excemptions for employee data). If you want to cause a bit of fuss do some research on this subject.
 
Ooooh - question after looking at that list.

If a British birth certificate has been issued by a British Embassy overseas, does that constitute has being issued in the UK?
 
Ooooh - question after looking at that list.

If a British birth certificate has been issued by a British Embassy overseas, does that constitute has being issued in the UK?


I never know because mine was issued in Singapore. But, if you look at it as the Embassy is classed as British soil, then I think probably yes.

I just stick on forms FCO as I'm not really sure what to put
 
fucking right it is. And will the dole office loan you the money t get the passport that you cannot work without?


no they do not:mad:
Yet another thing to add to my list of things that make me really annoyed about the way that this country is run.
 
An acquaintance of mine who had never left Britain was forced by her HR department to get a passport on pain of being sacked.

She had to pay for the passport but got time off for the interview with the Home Office to check that she wasn't a schemer from Lagos masquerading as a Livingstonian schemie.

I was just about the tell that story! :mad:
 
A colleague of mine (who's worked in our place for 20 years) successfully applied for an internal position and was asked to prove she had the right to work in this country - by the same personnel Dept who gave her her old job! Pendantic buggers Personnel! (sorry Human Resources or whatever they're called these days..)
 
A colleague of mine (who's worked in our place for 20 years) successfully applied for an internal position and was asked to prove she had the right to work in this country - by the same personnel Dept who gave her her old job! Pendantic buggers Personnel! (sorry Human Resources or whatever they're called these days..)

Nah (well, yes, but not in this instance :D) they've just got to do this stuff by law now.
 
It's all about coercion into the National ID card - http://craphound.com/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

leakednationalregister.jpg
 
What if you don't have a passport? It's not like it's a legal requirement


I really strugggled up to last year as we dont have passports and I didnt drive either.. Nor do we have bank accounts, as I dont trust the Dept of Work and Pensions....

It gets fun trying to prove who i am! :d

Especially as we dont have any domestic bills, as we either pay by card, or cash :d (oil coal and gas)
 
Um ... All of this seems to say that you need a passport.

The law on this changed at the beginning of May 2004. These are the checks/documents that employers have to carry out to prevent illegal working:

Soz for the long c&p :o

And apparently I can't C&P your C&P. Too long - but I don't want to selectively quote in case I missed something.

Going on those regs, can someone without a passport prove they're entitled to work in the UK?

Tell I'm tired and misreading.
 
Um ... All of this seems to say that you need a passport.



And apparently I can't C&P your C&P. Too long - but I don't want to selectively quote in case I missed something.

Going on those regs, can someone without a passport prove they're entitled to work in the UK?

Tell I'm tired and misreading.

Yes, they just need to provide different documents i.e. the combination stated in list 2.
 
Yet another thing to add to my list of things that make me really annoyed about the way that this country is run.

You're an exception on this thread... i don't know what's more frightening, the need to show your passport, or the apparent apathy towards this law by most posters here, and presumably therefore by most british citizens.

It seems to me that every conceivable angle of everybody's life is being followed in britain. It's not known as the most surveilled nation in the world for no reason.

You're all under watch, and hardly any of you seem to care.
 
You're an exception on this thread... i don't know what's more frightening, the need to show your passport, or the apparent apathy towards this law by most posters here, and presumably therefore by most british citizens.

It seems to me that every conceivable angle of everybody's life is being followed in britain. It's not known as the most surveilled nation in the world for no reason.

You're all under watch, and hardly any of you seem to care.



cameras are just one more thing to smash when the rioting starts
 
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