My cat: Full of surprises...
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Dovydaitis
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slightly nicking the thread then, but, am i wrong in thinking of getting my little girl who im going to see tonight done? She has already had one litter, and i want her to roam round and play with other cats in the neighbourhood 
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Reno said:
We're talking about living organisms over which our dominion leaves me cold. I don't agree with horse-racing, ffs, I'm not going to agree with castrating an animal who lives with me unless absolutely necessary for his happiness. And I think being a natural cat would make him happier, even if it's a shorter life. That's not to say neutured cats are unhappy. They just don't behave naturally, and I think stemming this nature has all sorts of unseen consequences on the cat, despite what some people claim. Max, my Manx cat when I was a kid, went from a livewire to a fat, grumpy sod in the space of weeks after his castration. He was never the same. That makes me feel guilty.
Reno
The In Kraut
Iemanja said:
And you haven't really stopped and thought about the fact that animals also have rights, and deserve the right not to be 'tampered' with at such a basic level.
Oh fuck off you tree hugging twat. I've had plenty of cats to know what I'm talkign about. They didn't look unhappy to me after being snipped unlike the ones who contract a disease and die a slow death or have to be put down. Same goes for all the unwanted kittens that will have to be put down as a result of cat owners not taking responsibility for their pets.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Iemanja said:
And you haven't really stopped and thought about the fact that animals also have rights, and deserve the right not to be 'tampered' with at a such a basic level.
Hear, hear!!
(unless absolutely necessary for the cat's continued happiness, such as if not being neutured will make him die - that's a will, not a maybe. I don't live on maybes, and neither do cats, imvho).
Dovydaitis
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the only reason im thinking of getting my cat done, is because she will be out and about, and the fact that she would be at risk of constantly being pregnant, and that doesnt do anyone any good, whatever animal it is.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Marius said:
I can't agree that it changes a cat's personality. I have had three tom cats, one of whom was unneutered (this was back in the 70s when I was a kid) and two neutered.
They were all greedy bastards and when they weren't lying in front of the fire being stroked, their favourite occupation was hunting and jumping out on the other local toms going 'Yeeeee-owowowo-hsssssss!!!!' (you know, that sound fighting cats make!).
Cat number two (who was neutered) roamed far, far more than cats one & three.
I still think they should be 'done' to prevent unwanted kittens. IMHE kittens are actually quite hard to get now - even ads in shops are asking £50 & upwards for them, which is not a bad thing - better than the sack/brick/canal which I believe was often the case when neutering was less common.
How odd. If you don't want to interfere with the animal's life then don't get a pet - it's a domesticated creature, domesticated by us. Neutering changes the hormones in the creature's body - it doesn't crave what its body no longer urges it to do - hence why neutered horses can be put out with mares and they don't try to fuck - they don't have the urge anymore.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Iemanja said:
So you don't agree with neutering because you can ponder that cats can have the urge to reproduce if they aren't neutered?!
Dovydaitis
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Wookey said:No, I agree there. I would prefer one litter, but allowing a cat to be a kitten machine all it's life is not clever for anyone, unless you have lots of room for lots of cats in which case it's great.
My dad has 18.
good! im new to this whole cat thing
the one im getting is from someone who is having to move and cant take cats with her. So, looking at it that way, im stopping a cat from being thrown onto the street as well
ChrisFilter
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PieEye said:
Exactly...
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
PieEye said:
On the other hand I think it's really odd that as a condition for caring for a pet we actually have to take away its reproductive organs... Wouldn't you say that's odd? I think it's fucked up.
I also find it strange how people are the spokesperson for animals claiming to know what they think and what they don't think, what they feel or don't feel. I certainly haven't got much of a clue when it comes to animal 'thinking' (whatever that may imply)
Iemanja said:
They are domesticated - there isn't the habitat available to accommodate legions of foals and kittens produced from random liaisons occurring whenever someone leaves a gate unlocked or a tom goes wandering.
I don't see the problem with managing the populations of creatures that have lived alongside us for generations.
mrsfran
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Wookey said:I have a ship canal on one side of me, a train track on another, roads on the other two sides, and a rampaging feline disease to contend with.
I can't see Cookie lasting long, tbh.
The canal, train tracks and roads are not going to give your cat an infectious disease that it can then very quickly pass on to other cats. You can't stop it getting run over, but you can prevent the spread of FIV.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Reno said:
Vets make money from neutering. And I once had a cat from an animal shelter. I do know both sides of the argument. You don't seem to want to listen my side though, cats are perfectly healthy when not neutered, this is from first hand experience. Yes, they may catch STD's, but there's always a risk of anything happening.
The problem with 'unwanted' kittens: it's people who decide that they are unwanted. If they were left to their own devices they would be raised by their mothers, some would probably die due to natural selection, but nature has a way of balancing things out. Eventually they would grow and look after themselves, they'd be catching mice and living in cities in much the same way that foxes do (not the catching mice thing, but the living in cities thing)
ChrisFilter
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Iemanja said:
Only just seen this. You seem to be suggesting that neutering cats is somehow this Machiavellian pastime that we enjoy, cackling with glee as we snip another innocent, victimised feline
Neutured cats live longer, are less susceptible to disease, and are more often than not healthier.
The only thing they give up is being able to impregnate a cat they'll in all liklihood never see again except to fight with or rape again. Not only this, but if they get the snip, they'll never even know they're 'missing out'.
