Muttiah Muralitharan: Bunger?

[Idaho]

He's not. He's an bowling legend.

Warne is probably better though, for my money. Not that I am giving him any of my money. The fat white-nosed ozzie twat.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Ok, I'm convinced. Taking the Bangla/Zim factor into account, Murali just edges it.

146 fewer wickets in 50 fewer matches.

Aye, but Muli didn't have McGrath at the other end throughout nearly all of his career snaffling 563 wickets at an average of 21. Muli is an all time great, but i'd still rather have Warne.

 

[DrRingDing]

Not true - my sister-in-law can get her arm to bend 'against' the elbow joint by about 25-30 degrees beyond the point that 'normal people would break or dislocate the joint. And she does this without any effort.

Makes me feel sick and look away when she does her 'party piece'.

She has never knowingly broken or damaged her joint - it's been like that for as long as her family can remember

That doesn't mean she has two joints. It just means she bend a bit further than others.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I think it may be your wrist rather than Murali's which is the problem.

 

[DrRingDing]

Says he!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Aye, but Muli didn't have McGrath at the other end throughout nearly all of his career snaffling 563 wickets at an average of 21. Muli is an all time great, but i'd still rather have Warne.

This is a valid point. In that case, we need to compare their averages after Zim/Ban have been taken out.

Mind you, Warney was lucky in that he got to play an awful lot of matches against England...

 

[mattie]

Warne is the better bowler, end of.

He's also an infinitely better batsman and slip fielder.

 

[mattie]

Aye, but Muli didn't have McGrath at the other end throughout nearly all of his career snaffling 563 wickets at an average of 21. Muli is an all time great, but i'd still rather have Warne.

Always thought that helped rather than hindered. Who are batmen going to give the charge, Warne or McGrath? Any half-sane batsman would just try to block out Murali and score off the others.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Infinitely?

How many Test hundreds has he got?

 

[mattie]

Infinitely?

How many Test hundreds has he got?

None, the poor lamb, I was at Old Trafford to see him hole out to Giles.

As much as anything can be considered infinite compared to anything else, Warne is infinitely better than Murali as a batsman because Murali is rubbish. Warne isn't.

 

[onemonkey]

Mind you, Warney was lucky in that he got to play an awful lot of matches against England...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Is 11.78 "rubbish", or just a tail-ender?

 

[waterloowelshy]

dr ring ring has clearly hijacked his parents computer while he is supposed to be tucked up in bed.

murali = genius.
warne also = genius.

dr ring ring = clueless.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Warne's Test average is 17.32, by the way.

 

[Bonfirelight]

i'd rather have warne in my side, but then again i'm a massive rascist.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Always thought that helped rather than hindered. Who are batmen going to give the charge, Warne or McGrath? Any half-sane batsman would just try to block out Murali and score off the others.

Aye, great bowlers, like men out on the pull, often hunt in pairs.

 

[mattie]

Is 11.78 "rubbish", or just a tail-ender?

How many not outs? 1/3 or so? Not bad for averages, as indicated by Jimmy Anderson after his first series.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i'd rather have warne in my side, but then again i'm a massive rascist.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How many not outs? 1/3 or so? Not bad for averages, as indicated Jimmy Anderson after his first series.

Not out means he wasn't out. He bats at number 11 - it's not his fault the chap at the other end gets out before him one third of the time.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

How many not outs? 1/3 or so? Not bad for averages, as indicated Jimmy Anderson after his first series.

McGrath's had his share of not-outs and it hasn't brought him a double-figure average.

 

[mattie]

Not out means he wasn't out. He bats at number 11 - it's not his fault the chap at the other end gets out before him one third of the time.

Rolleyes? Any idea what not-outs do to averages?

It means whatever runs he may have scored aren't divided by an innings. If you score one run for 50 tests and don't get out, you have an average of 100. Not very indicative, is it?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Rolleyes? Any idea what not-outs do to averages?

It means whatever runs he may have scored aren't divided by an innings. If you score one run for 50 tests and don't get out, you have an average of 100. Not very indicative, is it?

Yes - an average is number of runs divided by number of times out. It's very fair. Every time he's left stranded not out, he's denied runs. Hence the

 

[Donna Ferentes]

If you score one run for 50 tests and don't get out, you have an average of 100.

No you don't.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No you don't.

Actually, yes, I missed that.
You don't have an average at all until you're out.

 

[mattie]

No you don't.

OK, if you get out once. That whole infinite thing again.

 

[mattie]

Yes - an average is number of runs divided by number of times out. It's very fair. Every time he's left stranded not out, he's denied runs. Hence the

Murali stranded? First time I've heard of a number 11 being stranded.

 

[mattie]

McGrath's had his share of not-outs and it hasn't brought him a double-figure average.

Probably because he doesn't actually score any runs. McGrath is pretty much the worst batsman I've seen who isn't Chris Martin, but Murali is closer to that end than to Warne.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Probably because he doesn't actually score any runs. McGrath is pretty much the worst batsman I've seen who isn't Chris Martin, but Murali is closer to that end than to Warne.

I think we can all agree that Murali is somewhere between Martin and Warne.

But you still haven't explained to me how a large number of not-outs somehow invalidates an average.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

OK, if you get out once. That whole infinite thing again.

If you score 1 not-out 99 times then you are out for 1, then your average is 100. And a sensible captain would think seriously about moving you up the order.

 

[mattie]

I think we can all agree that Murali is somewhere between Martin and Warne.

But you still haven't explained to me how a large number of not-outs somehow invalidates an average.

It doesn't invalidate, but it certainly shows that it's far from the only metric of a batman's ability - and going in at 11 means you only have to survive one break of partnership, if it isn't you to go then whatever you've scored positively contributes to your average.