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Wasn't even the sold his soul to the devil bit manufactured? I'm sure I remember someone saying that was robbed from another less famous bluesman...
There were several. Charlie Patton was one.

But then much of blues mythology, like its lyrics, were ... shared.

If you listen to Delta blues you come across songs with similar titles about the same folk legend or tale with similar lyrics, but all with different composers credited. And they hadn't even necessarily heard each other.
 
We're talking about two different types of "it" here. Being a proficient musician or being an interesting musician. Johnson is both, in my opinion, whereas Rush are only the former.

This goes back to the initial topic. I have no idea whether Rush took drugs. But whether they did or not, I find their music dull.

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I hope this is not a look anyone considers adopting unless well and truly off their nut.
 
I think i remember reading somewhere that if you got to put out records in those days then it pretty much meant you were relatively popular... not miley cyrus popular but you were doing alright.
Depends on the label. There were lots of small time "race" labels. Someone like Mississippi John Hurt would have made more money than he'd ever had before, but in the scheme of things it wasn't impressive. He went back to being a farm hand. It wasn't a living. It was a local fame, and he played local gigs. But he needed the day job.

Someone like Lonnie Johnson, though, would be different. He'd have national distribution on better known labels and he'd be making a living from his playing.
 
Someone like Mississippi John Hurt would have made more money than he'd ever had before, but in the scheme of things it wasn't impressive. He went back to being a farm hand. It wasn't a living. It was a local fame, and he played local gigs. But he needed the day job.
look like he just made one record in the 20s that tanked though, so he wasn't really a recording artist.... whereas people like robert johnson who made multiple records were kind of successful.
 
i guess all I'm saying is that robert johnson wasn't exactly totally obscure in his lifetime and didn't only get famous in the 60s; he was pretty successful in his own lifetime too. look at the photo of him in that suit.
 
look like he just made one record in the 20s that tanked though, so he wasn't really a recording artist.... whereas people like robert johnson who made multiple records were kind of successful.
Sure, Johnson was more successful than Hurt, but not as successful as, say, Louis Armstrong. Heebie Jeebies, for example, sold 40,000 copies in less than a month. In 26, two years before Hurt was recording Avalon Blues. And even then, Armstrong wasn't the name at this point that he later became.

The nice suits were certainly part of the deal. You wanted to look sharp, not like some corn-chewing hick.
 
i guess all I'm saying is that robert johnson wasn't exactly totally obscure in his lifetime and didn't only get famous in the 60s; he was pretty successful in his own lifetime too. look at the photo of him in that suit.
I have a feeling you should be having this discussion with Idaho.
 
When I die I want you to dress me in straight lace shoes
Boxback coat and a Stetson hat
Put a twenty dollar gold piece on my watch chain
So the boys’ll know that I died standin' pat
 
the beatles in that era are not a rip off of anyone - its a huge insult to say it is - all musicians draw on other music going around at the time and before - the idea that sgt peppers is a rehash of ravi shankar and daphne o is a million miles off the mark. give credit where its due D.


of course its not as easy as take drugs and become a visionary musician, but don't discount the completely central role drugs play in inspiring music and creating music traditions

I am though, I'm giving people like the Coltranes, Pharoah Sanders, Hendrix, Archie Shepp, Red Krayola, Van Der Graaf, King Crimson, Zappa, beefheart etc credit.

Perhaps I should have phrased that more eloquently - apologies, I had to rush to a funeral. The Beatles (to me at least) borrowed far too liberally from people like Shankar, Daphne O and Stockhausen without really saying much in their own way. For me there were much more visionary acts who seemed to communicate in a newer musical language with a lot more expression.

I guess, this is a terrible comparison, but it'll have to do for what I'm trying to illustrate. It's like people making '93 jungle in 2015, what's the point? How is this expanding my horizons artistically, emotionally and spiritually?
 
Keeping with the early 20th century records derail, I went to an amazing lecture last year - Ian Nagoski, who runs a reissue label called Canary Records: he ended up doing what he does by digging through piles of 78s, which had already had all the canon blues, jazz & country stripped out - there's no holy grails left in those genres, 70 years of mining has seen to that. But he found of the stuff that was left over, the stuff that wasn't in english language was of a much higher quality - so that's what he started looking out for.

It was a different lecture to this one I saw, but this is really interesting too - he evokes the era (well, the music does - but his words do a great job of setting it in place) really well...



/\ this is the first part of a fairly long clip, so click through to youtube if you want to watch the whole thing. ska invita, littleseb - reckon you guys might be interested...

Canary Records bandcamp is here - you can listen to all the stuff he's reissued. :)
 
I like robert johnson as much as the next person but the idea that he was some superhuman guitarist who could only have made a pact with the devil to be that good is kind of silly... there were other guitarists at the same time who did much more technically difficult stuff.



Wonderful, never heard that before :)
 
Keeping with the early 20th century records derail, I went to an amazing lecture last year - Ian Nagoski, who runs a reissue label called Canary Records: he ended up doing what he does by digging through piles of 78s, which had already had all the canon blues, jazz & country stripped out - there's no holy grails left in those genres, 70 years of mining has seen to that. But he found of the stuff that was left over, the stuff that wasn't in english language was of a much higher quality - so that's what he started looking out for.

It was a different lecture to this one I saw, but this is really interesting too - he evokes the era (well, the music does - but his words do a great job of setting it in place) really well...



/\ this is the first part of a fairly long clip, so click through to youtube if you want to watch the whole thing. ska invita, littleseb - reckon you guys might be interested...

Canary Records bandcamp is here - you can listen to all the stuff he's reissued. :)

listened to this falling asleep last night -what a nice guy - look forward to checking out pt2 and onwards... thanks kb
 
John B springs to mind, dodgy trance-d'n'b producer
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You have to be on drugs (a lot!) to dance to his music and yet he's very anti them ?
 
Randy Bachman of Bachman-Turner Overdrive was/is a Mormon (no sex, drugs or alcohol). I'm not sure if the other brothers were members of the Latter day Saints. Tal, Randy's son, left the Mormons. Cue recriminations and ostracisation.

As Smashie and Nicey would say...
 
Keeping with the early 20th century records derail, I went to an amazing lecture last year - Ian Nagoski, who runs a reissue label called Canary Records: he ended up doing what he does by digging through piles of 78s, which had already had all the canon blues, jazz & country stripped out - there's no holy grails left in those genres, 70 years of mining has seen to that. But he found of the stuff that was left over, the stuff that wasn't in english language was of a much higher quality - so that's what he started looking out for.

It was a different lecture to this one I saw, but this is really interesting too - he evokes the era (well, the music does - but his words do a great job of setting it in place) really well...



/\ this is the first part of a fairly long clip, so click through to youtube if you want to watch the whole thing. ska invita, littleseb - reckon you guys might be interested...

Canary Records bandcamp is here - you can listen to all the stuff he's reissued. :)

That's cool!
I saw his lecture on Greek American music a couple of years ago at Oto. It was great, I can highly recommend it. When I saw his lecture I was at the hight of my oud-learning phase, and there were lots of tunes I was familiar with. Fantastic stuff. Thanks for tagging, killer.
 
I don't know what he was up to in the 60s and 70s but from the 1980s on, the renowned conga player and composer Ray Barretto (El Watusi, Hard Hands, Bugalu etc) was a fierce anti-drug warrior sort who'd only dress in white and wouldn't allow anyone to even applaud, never mind smoke (anything) at his concerts. I think it might have been a late-convert thing though, viz (from1967):


 
re: John B
That's a good question, I read an interview a while back , maybe he's changed his tune, maybe now he's a coke snorting EDM super star or something.

Bit of a thoroughly decadent misogynist twat by the looks of it, as well.

John B: “You are right. With anything like this it’s about your own attitude to the situation. Sun, beach, boobies, clubs, great restaurants – what’s not to like? If you plan your stuff properly it’s great. If you book your hotel too late and end up miles away, or don’t do your research and end up somewhere crap it’s your own fault. As is wasting days on drug-finding missions and staying up for 48 hours at dirty after parties with a bunch of weirdos you just met, or following around skanky drugravergirls who’ve been up that long and not showered in three days WMC hobos stylee. Not the one.”

http://breakbeat.co.uk/interviews/john-bs-guide-to-miami/
 
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