Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by ska invita, Jan 26, 2016.
we need a venues thread
hopefully won't just be about closures
Why do you think thats the case MO? You might be right, but is it based on anything other than a hunch? My hunch if venue owners are greedy and not fussed.
Well it's the standard economics that forces a lot of things out - basically if you're renting your space, which most small businesses are going to be, then that space is going to be far more expensive than it was a few years ago, and only getting more so (other costs will have gone up too but in London it's rent that's going to be the killer). So in order to be viable you need to bring in more money, which in a pub might mean selling food rather than just doing beer, but in a club is likely to basically come down to getting plenty of people in I'd have thought.
I haven't done any research or worked out the numbers or anything like that so I might just be sounding off on the internet (never!) but I think it goes with a lot of other stuff you see all over London.
Yeah that is definitely a possibility.....Thing is Im not sure you need that many less people to keep a good ratio of space in there. And a rammed out venue where you cant even get to the bar doesn't mean you sell more drinks. Maybe.
Also my impression is people who are running successful long term venues (not promoters, but the venue owners/leaseholders) are making tidy little fortunes...but I base that on nothing other than how expensive drinks are
In my daydream universe of running the perfect club, I'd set a maximum entry limit that was just perfect and people would get used to being turned away, and the principle of space would be a selling point, and people would keep hungry to get in.
ringo did you make it to Ministry of Sound / Hopsital night, with their unveiling of their new surround sound speaker system?
Yes, really enjoyed myself, I love clubbing on my own . First visit to Ministry, have hardly been to any super clubs at all, so compared to the dingy rough houses I'm used to it was a massive change. Didn't queue very long, security very tight with photo ID, metal detectors and a very thorough weapons search. First time I've had a bouncer grab my cock but they didn't empty wallets/pockets etc so were clearly just making sure the place was safe from guns and knives so I can't complain about that.
It was a sell out, very busy but still space to dance, very nice crowd and friendly atmosphere, mixed crowd of young and old. Glad I wasn't drinking booze because the water was £3.40 a bottle. London Elektricity was very good, the sound system was amazing, top DJ's all night, two smaller rooms running slightly different selections as you'd expect. There were at least six big stacks of bins circling the dance floor, very well tuned. I had ear filters in the whole night after my recent hearing loss revelations and it still sounded crisp and beautifully set up. I took a filter out for a few seconds just to confirm and it was a great sound. Loud, even with filters I had ears humming for 36 hours.
He'd remixed his whole set to use the new Dolby Atmos system so there were moments when he panned beats and drum kicks around the room and it sounded great. Seemed like a pretty rudimentary use of the technology but I can imagine that in the future music written specifically for the system could be properly ground breaking.
I'm surprised to say that it didn't just feel like a commercial money pit. It felt like an extremely professionally run club who's sole aim was to provide a top quality clubbing night out with no aggravations. Everything was designed for the punter to get on with their night, enjoy the tunes and have a good time with minimal intrusion from security and short queues for toilets, bar and cloakroom.
Ooh, I made it into one of LE's photos
sounds like an ambisonics set up? always wanted to have a play with one of them. heard a guy called gerald do a set on one at glastonbury in '11, the perception of sound in 3 dimensions is incredible but it doesn't lend itself to music IMO. maybe someone will start making music specially for these systems but it's been about since the 70s and hasn't taken yet... would love it to replace dolby surround as standard for film.
Sounds quite similar Dolby Atmos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Music industry types gushing
London Elekricity intro
(Snap post with Ringo)
Dolby Atmos comes to Ministry Of Sound
We're Going To Be The First Club In The World With A Surround Sound Dancefloor | Magazine | Ministry of Sound
Im looking for you - have you been caught out without your hands in the air?
you don't do raves in Dobly...
Still Yousef has been working with them for 2 weeks on this so i'm sure it will be as revolutionary as all their branding experts claim. i'd have probably named it Bro Logic myself.
I'm not a joiner
you and me both
"when I say x, you say Y!" = No
has anyone been to the Troxy?
Went past it yesterday and it was looking very smart
got this coming up at it
had a venue opened up next to my place last year (full disclosure- i know the guys who run the place, make of that what you will), New River Studios N4. i've spun electro and breaks records with Moronik , been to rock gigs, seen grime acts, experimental noise with weird AV shit and been asked to remix the audio track from the little mermaid for an upcoming series of nights... think i've seen another urb on the bill
reasonably priced drinks until the draught runs out, nice staff, eclectic music policy and LOUD soundsystem. i'm in favour.
edit: and a small ginger cat called Bagel that basically owns the place.
Bar 512 in Dalston - any good? ANyone? Didnt you have a Distant Planet there once Moronik ??
yep, done a few gigs there, it's a stunning venue. and it sells burgers in the foyer.
512 is a wicked little venue, not sure what the cost is, as with any venue, get known for a huge bar spend and the price tumbles. Never heard the in house rig, only the chillisound Martin audio set up which is immense in that space.
wow sounds promising!
Should be going to this if anyone fancies it - <Marcus Intalex headlining, Reinfroced Records DJ Stretch alongside
Launch dnb at Bar 512
Mr Chillisound is currently galavanting around SE Asia with his family but I have it on good authority that his toys are there.
Love that place.
Let us know if you're heading there, i'm right next to it
Re:512, on the bus there now, if the big toys are in there they'll still be there until march. Anyone else doing Don't?
Whats the date of that Boycey?
It was last night, couldn't keep it going all night as I'm being a vaguely good boy for the time being and I've been working my arse off this week. The first 3 acts I caught tore the place a new one, could barely feel my legs on the bus home around 3:30am.
Great Suffolk Street Warehouse - anyone been? Somewhere else I want to get to soon...
Yeah, went to a Drumcode thing there - barebones arches venue, decent enough
there is a great book on a guy who brought the brixton academy for £1!
here is some context.......................
An exclusive Brixton interview with Simon Parkes – the man who bought Brixton Academy for £1
I remember hearing about this book when it came out - possibly even reading about it on urban. Ive got a daydream of opening my own small but perfectly formed club - its stories like his that really put me off (or give me an excuse ) - I know it was Brixton post riots, so a particularly dodgy time, but in my imagination being able to deal with gangsters and other hardnuts is likely a part of the running of any venue in a big city, dont you reckon? Not something I really want to deal with...
What do you think? If you run a dance music venue today will you get a knock from some mob or other, asking for protection money or trying to run door, or sell drugs etc?
as long as they sort me mates rates for some drugs, then I'd be happy
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