Music forum = music snob's paradise?

[poului]

Yes but difficult does not equal good. imo music that may be technically "easy" often contains a lot of context-based information, information outside the notes as it were - so even when something is piss easy it may capture a mood incredibly skilfully. Then there is the phenomenon of the catchy tune - something that's simple, yet original - it's incredibly difficult to create a new one.
(I'm a musician myself btw.)

it's all about the sincerity, man!

(makes passionate debating gesture)

 

[MooChild]

Yes but difficult does not equal good. imo music that may be technically "easy" often contains a lot of context-based information, information outside the notes as it were - so even when something is piss easy it may capture a mood incredibly skilfully. Then there is the phenomenon of the catchy tune - something that's simple, yet original - it's incredibly difficult to create a new one.
(I'm a musician myself btw.)

I know, its still really annoying

One thing I found was that I find it very hard listening to music just for enjoyment, as im normally too busy analysing it to enjoying it iyswim. I'm getting better over time at it, but the snobbery is difficult to overcome as well, it will be easier when i learn how to switch off the analysing and just listen.

 

[Hollis]

Can't be arsed to read the thread.. it either works or it don't. Tastes evolve and change over time.. blah, blah, blah.. the one thing I've learnt ( ) as I've got older is never to be too precious about my taste in music.

 

[DaveCinzano]

mooChild - see my reply to dirtsanta ...


god I hate musicians

at least they're not deejays

 

[Iam]

don't you like Placebo?

.

 

[MooChild]

Wolfie, i understand completely

I know im wrong sometimes, so i guess i cant be a proper musician

Plus its hard to be objective when you are a musician.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

god I hate musicians

Musicians are also punters, or they probably wouldn't have got into making music.

And deejays are musicians too by the way.

 

[Wolfie]

at least they're not deejays

absolutely! and vice versa of course

 

[Wolfie]

....

And deejays are musicians too by the way.

where ever did you get that bizarre idea from?

 

[milesy]

Yes but difficult does not equal good. imo music that may be technically "easy" often contains a lot of context-based information, information outside the notes as it were - so even when something is piss easy it may capture a mood incredibly skilfully. Then there is the phenomenon of the catchy tune - something that's simple, yet original - it's incredibly difficult to create a new one.
(I'm a musician myself btw.)

totally agreed.

someone can be the most technically proficient musician/singer in the world, but that don't mean a thing if they ain't got that swing. imagination and inspiration can quite often be far more important than technical talent to making enjoyable music.

 

[fishfingerer]

I would never in a million years have heard of 95% of the fab stuff I've received on urburn cds if it wasn't for the snobby fucks on this forum.

 

[kyser_soze]

I'm a snob to a greater or lesser degree about certain genres but what annoys me, and the same thing goes for humour and films, is when people say 'X piece of music is bad' from a technical POV. I don't like Abba but I know that muscially they were very competent group capable of writing catchy hooks and generally well constructed tunes. In my book that makes them a 'good' band who wrote 'good' music.

That I think they are tunes that are only ever appropriate after copious amounts of alcohol is secondary to that, and I guess what I'm saying is that there is a great deal of confusion between emotionally 'good' music and bands, and technically 'good' m&bs and it pisses me off when someone says X band are shite when they are quite clearly decent soingwriters and musicians.

There, that's that off me chest.

And there's nowt wrong with Placebo.

 

[dirtysanta]

no, you're some kind of musician so your opinion doesn't count for anything

The word extraordinary is missing from that post.

 

[spanglechick]

Not snobs - but I realise I'm totally outclassed and shallow, so have taken my Killers / Hard Fi / User-Friendly-Indie Tastes and have gone to play in the shallow end with the Spice Girls posts...

oooh! That was my 100th post... Blimey that's nowhere near enough to avoid the newbie-bashing...

 

[Termite Man]

I'm a snob to a greater or lesser degree about certain genres but what annoys me, and the same thing goes for humour and films, is when people say 'X piece of music is bad' from a technical POV. I don't like Abba but I know that muscially they were very competent group capable of writing catchy hooks and generally well constructed tunes. In my book that makes them a 'good' band who wrote 'good' music.

That I think they are tunes that are only ever appropriate after copious amounts of alcohol is secondary to that.

I disagree with your conclusion . For me the fact that they make "tunes that are only ever appropriate after copious amounts of alcohol" makes them a band who make 'bad' music and no matter how good they are technically it just doesn't make the overall music good .

Similarly a band who has great tunes and songs but can't really play can be really good to listen to . It just comes down to opinion , and I reserve the right to slate people who like shit , because it's fun

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

I wouldn't dream of listening to bands who couldn't play their instruments or write their own songs.

 

[kyser_soze]

I disagree with your conclusion . For me the fact that they make "tunes that are only ever appropriate after copious amounts of alcohol" makes them a band who make 'bad' music and no matter how good they are technically it just doesn't make the overall music good .

Ah you misunderstand me - I mean just in my subjective opinion! Quite simply I don't like them, just as I don't espcially like the Beatles, can take or leave the Stones, Elvis etc (or Hadyn for that matter!!) but that doesn't stop me recognising that it's good music.

 

[Termite Man]

Ah you misunderstand me - I mean just in my subjective opinion! Quite simply I don't like them, just as I don't espcially like the Beatles, can take or leave the Stones, Elvis etc (or Hadyn for that matter!!) but that doesn't stop me recognising that it's good music.

But if you don't like it then it isn't good ! I can understand recognising ability to play or maybe write a catchy tune but I don't think those abilitys make the music good because it's lacking the thing which would make you like it .

 

[kyser_soze]

Nah, because 'good' in the sense of 'do i like it' disregards it's construction. In my list above I mention Hadyn - now muscially he is, along with Mozart and Beethoven, one of the key composers in Western European music. That I find his stuff twee is a personal thing and while I don't like it doesn't make it 'bad' music.

Same thing goes for Blue Grass/Folk/Inbred Redneck music - I fucking HATE it but there are (probably) some tunes within it that I'd recognise as 'good' music even tho I don't really 'like' it.

 

[Termite Man]

Nah, because 'good' in the sense of 'do i like it' disregards it's construction. In my list above I mention Hadyn - now muscially he is, along with Mozart and Beethoven, one of the key composers in Western European music. That I find his stuff twee is a personal thing and while I don't like it doesn't make it 'bad' music.

Same thing goes for Blue Grass/Folk/Inbred Redneck music - I fucking HATE it but there are (probably) some tunes within it that I'd recognise as 'good' music even tho I don't really 'like' it.

I guess your right , but it's just a matter of where you draw the line between good/bad really ! Personally I wouldn't call ABBA ( to use your example ) bad but no matter how technically good or well crafted their songs are the actual music will never be 'good' to me .

 

[bmd]

if you likes a song or a band or a genre, then you likes it, and be damned with the nay-sayers

Yep yep yep.

the music you love makes a connection with you,

it's not about whether it's fashionable or not

Amen Brother.

(just look at belboid )...

And you were doing so well.

 

[William of Walworth]

Plus its hard to be objective when you are a musician.

It's impossible (according to be my brother, muso) but in any case, it's impossible to be objective about MUSIC AT ALL -- quite rightly so

In any case, any record collection that doesn't contain a fair amount of utter shite** alongside the cool/enjoyable/brilliant/etc. stuff** isn't much of a collection (IMO) ... I suppose that statement is music snobbery in itself ...

**Leave it out. You know what I mean!!

Besides, akirajoel, judging by his comments on that thread about music that almost no-one on Urban can dislike, is a fussy bastard about music .....

 

[William of Walworth]

Plus entirely agree with bristle** and Bob Marley's Dad

don't understand bristle's belboid reference anyway

 

[Orang Utan]

I am not a snob, I just have exquisite taste.
I am right and everyone else is wrong, that's all.