internetstalker
Get naked!
Are you trying to say the PIRA are responsible for Omagh?
Murdering IRA scum finally held to account for Omagh Atrocity
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Are you trying to say the PIRA are responsible for Omagh?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
in a world bollocks.
it took the ra and all its little friends 20 years and a mountain of corpses to try politics.
yes the British state should never have let the protestants get away with there
shit. what little justification for the troubles ran out in 73.
ira brave nah don't fucking think so how brave it is to leave a booby trapped torch to blind a child
it took the ra and all its little friends 20 years and a mountain of corpses to try politics.
yes the British state should never have let the protestants get away with there
shit. what little justification for the troubles ran out in 73.
ira brave nah don't fucking think so how brave it is to leave a booby trapped torch to blind a child
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
And the massacres of Catholics by the equally nasty Unionist terrorists showed the nationalists that the IRA could not protect them. Yes the two City of London bombings had the effect of the Japanese property companies and banks coming to John Major and saying that anymore bombings they would pull out of the city. But to say that it was an IRA victory is rubbish. The IRA had been infiltrated by the security forces and had they been allowed off the leash could have finished the IRA/UVF/UDA off militarily. But as we know that would have not brought peace to Northern Ireland.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Fantasy Land
I expect the Americans could have won Vietnam if it weren't for those lousy liberals in Congress?
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Risk of derail.
But.
That's not what we were talking about. It was my ironic post pointing out the dark hilarity in having your feathers ruffled at the suggestion that the IRA could be associated with a mass murder which got us onto this.
For clarity: I couldn't give a shit whether the 6 counties are run from London, Belfast or Dublin. Or Paris or Rotterdam for that matter.
I don't agree with UK govt, by own hand or proxy, breaking UK laws.
I don't accept that the IRA could call themselves a legitimate resistance when they non military targets deliberately in their sights. The level of support they may or may not have had is neither here nor there, especially when a lot of it was unmeasurable in any meaningful way.
Even if every man woman child dog and cat in Ireland was staunch behind the murdering bastards, they were/are still murdering bastards. So there you go.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
That's easy to say when it wasn't your daughter that had been horrifically injured for the crime of trying to buy a present for Father's day in a provincial city.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
You do know that there are over 3 and half thousand stories like that over the Troubles? Pretty much everyone here has been directly or indirectly affected by the Troubles and have their own stories to tell but it doesn't achieve anything. It was a brave step to decide to go to peace and an even braver step by some Unionists to accept that the IRA was ready for peace.
Oh and saying the PIRA, RIRA, CIRA are all the same is just fucking idiotic but it's not the first time Chainsaw_Cat has been guilty of that.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I don't disagree with any of that. I simply disagree with the idea that one of the parties -- ANY one of the parties -- is somehow able to be commended for their actions and hold their heads high. All sides were fucking reprehensible in many of their actions and should be ashamed of themselves accordingly.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
I didn't say they were all the same, that was Likesfish and Cobbles.
And while we're getting personal, you never acknowledge that targetting civilians is wrong. Do you?
PIRP - is that the Protestant wing of the IRA? - everyone else seems to have one to hang their larcenous tendencies from.
internetstalker
Get naked!
you've got more rabbit then sainsbury's mate
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
I'm not condoning these stupid adventurists!~PSNI fucked up true, but they weren't the bright sparks who thought I know what omagh needs a fucking great car bomb
whats an inquiry supposed to prove it wasn't the fault of the lovely republicans
the police planted the fucking bomb
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
About this supposed IRA and "real IRA" split (will the real IRA please stand up, please stand up ...): the IRA (provisionals, the Ra, whatever they want to go by) are not delicate people. Neither are they ignorant people. There's an excellent chance they know who the real IRA members are, where they live, and where their munitions are located. If the IRA are serious about upholding the Good Friday Agreement, why risk anything getting in the way of it? Setting up unilateral bombing operations is a challenge to their authority. In short, why haven't they massacred the "real IRA" as a warning to anyone else who fancies ignoring the boss-men?
On the other hand, if the "real IRA" are a deniable organization, there to hurry along the British government, it makes perfect sense for them to be given leave to commit multiple-murder.
Uncomfortable questions. I hope I'm wrong, and the "real IRA" are what they claim to be.
On the other hand, if the "real IRA" are a deniable organization, there to hurry along the British government, it makes perfect sense for them to be given leave to commit multiple-murder.
Uncomfortable questions. I hope I'm wrong, and the "real IRA" are what they claim to be.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Because they were on a ceasefire and the peace process was in it's early days.
Look at the IPLO in the early 90's, the Provos wiped them out and would have wiped the Real IRA out if they weren't pursuing a path of peace.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because of the civil war that already happend and that would happen again.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Perhaps. I'll admit cynicism could be skewing my judgment here, but would the murder of "real IRA" people, doubtless by deniable hands, have hurt the peace process, or helped it? In the wake of Omagh (as disgusting an act of mass-murder as I can think of) I can see it being welcomed by the Labour government under the rough rules of the game these groups play. The IRA certainly haven't been whiter than white since Good Friday 1998.
As I said, it's easier all round if the "real IRA" are what they claim, and I hope it's true.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's no secret that they all piss in the same pot, but the pot says never grass.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Slightly different situation!
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