Mugged

[8den]

Oh, and:

"Also, the IMEI number should be recorded on an identification sticker, normally located on the rear of the handset and underneath the battery"

Not much use to you if the phone is stolen now is it?

Sorry kinda like the emergency phone numbers for a stolen credit card, I keep mine programmed onto my phone, nevertheless I keep thinking about the hotline numbers, and wonder what would happen if my card was stolen and I\dthink "gee I'd love to call the the hotline number but it's printed on the fricking card"

My wife had some shit try and mug her for her mobile he was on a moped driving down the pavement behind her, he gunned the motor and tried to rip the mobile phone out of her hand, she instinctively elbowed him in the solar plexus, fucker apparently looked down right outraged that she acted in such a manner and drove off.

Mind you the wife has done a year of krav maga, and I've seen her floor a bloke with a slap.*

ivebeenhigh I sympathise, I get annoyed that I'm uncomfortable using my ipod on the street, or showing my mobile, or keeping a fake wallet (out of date bank cards and a tenner) and not wanting to upgrade my mobile just cause I don't need the hassle. You just feel frustrated you work you strive for a better live for yourself yet you cannot use em. Pisses me off.

8den

*-yes I do the dishes-

 

[Ms Ordinary]

fake wallet (out of date bank cards and a tenner)

that sounds like my real wallet...

 

[8den]

that sounds like my real wallet...

Is yours made of cardboard too...

 

[timothysutton1]

...there isnt much they can do...

Did it happen within sight of any CCTV cameras?

I thought that's what they were there for.

 

[Dopermine]

Whilst on the phone, I was punched in the side of the head and then had the phone ripped out of my hands.

C

I always thought, "if they ask just give what you have". But they didn't even ask!

Don't listen to all that clever stuff about how you shouldn't have used your mobi in Brixton - society is to blame, not you. Not really even the muggers.

 

[Giles]

I always thought, "if they ask just give what you have". But they didn't even ask!

Don't listen to all that clever stuff about how you shouldn't have used your mobi in Brixton - society is to blame, not you. Not really even the muggers.

Yeah, like "society" made them have to have someone else's phone. Of course it's not their fault. If their mate's got one, well, its only fair that they should need one too!

Giles..

 

[ivebeenhigh]

some good news! Went to pick up my new glasses and got a bit of a result, the insurance that I only though lasted one year, actually lasts for two! so i got some new glasses for free (<---they dont look like these)

 

[Manmasi]

Nice to hear you've had some good news!

 

[ska invita]

Bah, waiting for the bus on Friday, after lhaving a fun night at The Albert, I got mugged. Whilst on the phone, I was punched in the side of the head and then had the phone ripped out of my hands.

It was at the Junction of Morval Road and Effra Parade. My friend who live on Effra parade was threatened walking home last week too, so be extra cautious.

I am ok but my glasses are broke (I am on 640*480 now ) and my phone is gone. If anyone offers you a cheap Treo 650 its probably mine

C

i think youll find this thread has been done before

p.s. glad youre ok - peace

 

[RaverDrew]

i think youll find this thread has been done before

p.s. glad youre ok - peace

I know what you mean, seems like loads of muggings all over the boards at the moment

I think this is an older thread bumped though.

Personally I only ever carry a phone round with me that I'm happy to clobber someone round the head with, ie. a brick.

keep your no.s reguarly backed up folks

 

[detective-boy]

I think this is an older thread bumped though.

U75 is now beginning to contribute to the fear of crime in the same way as the media!

(Big splash when it happens; repeated when there are arrests / charges; repeated when the trail opens; repeated at sentence and then sometimes a "How he was caught" or similar splash a few weeks / months later ... public consciousness = five x offence ... )

 

[William of Walworth]

Late to this thread, really sorry to hear about this story

Hope the OP is OK now ...

Wanted to respond to this bit of TeeJay's post :

suggestions:
2) Use a cheap phone and back up all the numbers on it, so that it won't matter if it does get snatched (costs next to nothing to replace a cheap PAYG phone).

Yes, I had my (cheap) PAYG phone stolen in July and replaced it with another cheap Nokia in August, but to get my numbers replaced, I had to get Stig's hlp to copy her SimCard -- we shared about 80% if our numbers.

I had a panic yesterday cos I inadvertantly left my mob at home, and wondered all day whether I'd lost it (I hadn't )

But thats paniced me into thinking I need to back up.

How do you do this? Need help ... will ask people IRL, but if someone can post up the method here, that would be grand ...

 

[William of Walworth]

some good news! Went to pick up my new glasses and got a bit of a result, the insurance that I only though lasted one year, actually lasts for two! so i got some new glasses for free (<---they dont look like these)

Oh, thats very

 

[TeeJay]

How do you do this? Need help ... will ask people IRL, but if someone can post up the method here, that would be grand ...

I used the old-fashioned method of using a pen or pencil to write the telephone numbers down in an address book.

 

[hendo]

U75 is now beginning to contribute to the fear of crime in the same way as the media!

(Big splash when it happens; repeated when there are arrests / charges; repeated when the trail opens; repeated at sentence and then sometimes a "How he was caught" or similar splash a few weeks / months later ... public consciousness = five x offence ... )

Yes, let us support the law enforcers by being silent about crime when it occurs to us. This reporting of things could lead to people being informed and perhaps even changing their voting behaviour! I shan't post about being pursued and robbed again. And neither will anyone else, if they know what's good for them. This talking to others about things that concern you is unhelpful in the modern era.

 

[detective-boy]

Yes, let us support the law enforcers by being silent about crime when it occurs to us. This reporting of things could lead to people being informed and perhaps even changing their voting behaviour! I shan't post about being pursued and robbed again. And neither will anyone else, if they know what's good for them. This talking to others about things that concern you is unhelpful in the modern era.

What is this "National Miss the Fucking Point Week" ...

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I used the old-fashioned method of using a pen or pencil to write the telephone numbers down in an address book.

Pain when you want to put them in though.

 

[hendo]

What is this "National Miss the Fucking Point Week" ...

This is the week we had the verdicts and sentencing of the killers of Tom Ap Rhys Price, which makes posts about mugging quite relevant, I'd suggest.

Are you really saying the media shouldn't have mentioned it? Are you really suggesting crime shouldn't be reported because it 'adds to people's fears about it'?

Because my counter point is, where does this end? Would you like the media to leave off global warming, because it may affect house prices? It's surely the business of communication to alter each other's perception of things. We surely ought to continue to discuss street robbery even if it does discomfit both ourselves and members of the 'law enforcement community'.

People in British Policing always reach for the 'fear of crime does not equal actual problem' button when council tax payers begin to wonder if their money is being well spent when miscreants can assault and rob them at bus stops. But you can't have it both ways; people need to have 'awareness' of problems in their community too don't they?

I'm a bit frosty 'cause I'm on nights so I may be over reacting, but it does seem to me to be lazy thinking to suggest that reporting of crime at its relevant points either in the media or here on the boards simply serves to 'raise fear' rather than also being a legitimate discussion of a problem which affects many of us in a very negative way.

Or am I missing your (fucking) point?

 

[exosculate]

What did they look like?

 

[detective-boy]

Or am I missing your (fucking) point?

Yes. You are.

My point is not that we should not report crime ... but that the fact that the same story is repeated three, four opr even five times as a case progresses is missed by the public who perceive five offences rather than one offence,the stoery of which is told five times.

I posted because (as you would have seen if you'd read the posts prior to mine) niksativa posted:

I think youll find this thread has been done before

and RaverDrew commented:

I know what you mean, seems like loads of muggings all over the boards at the moment

I think this is an older thread bumped though.

But, hey, why bother about reading anything else, or worrying about context (or even content) when you can just launch into an anti-police rant ...

 

[hendo]

But, hey, why bother about reading anything else, or worrying about context (or even content) when you can just launch into an anti-police rant ...

Why must any criticism of your position always be seen as an anti police rant?

You still haven't dealt properly with my counterpoint to your problem with reporting and discussing crime in the media and on internet bulletin boards.

I don't want to chime on, but here's what you said:

"(Big splash when it happens; repeated when there are arrests / charges; repeated when the trail opens; repeated at sentence and then sometimes a "How he was caught" or similar splash a few weeks / months later ... public consciousness = five x offence ... )"

Which seemed to me to be an attack on the way the media reports crime.

Well, there are a lot of problems with the way the media reports crime. But the justice system takes ages, despite government repeatedly promising to hurry it up, which means editors have to remind people when people start going through the justice system after a long period on bail/on remand.

Then we get headlines like the ones this week at the end of the process, which in my view of the Tom Ap Rhys Price case are well and truly merited.

Let's not forget that the law on Contempt means the reporting of lots of things about the case, which the media may know but the public doesn't, can happen at the point of verdicts and sentencing; so the media can run backgrounders lovingly prepared over the previous months.

And let's not forget the police habit of emerging from court to give statements on the pavement outside post verdict.

Does this increase awareness of crime? Well, yes. 'Fear of crime' - possibly. But I'd argue that the media is simply serving the audience who want to hear about what's going on in their community.

By the by, I'm sorry if this comes over as an anti police rant - I'm not intending to engage in anti police ranting; I support the police and their role (but I think they're over managed, under resourced, and too much form filling and general box ticking goes on.)

 

[geminisnake]

This is my back up. Its a Nokia 1100. it has snake installed by default. and a torch

That's the phone I use, coz I can work it(sort of)

Hope you're feeling ok now, sorry to hear about the mugging

 

[ivebeenhigh]

What did they look like?

the muggers? teens with hoodies. i was without my glasses and busying myself with not being harmed further to make much more of an identification. somewhat interestingly/annoyingly most non brixton people I have told about this (family/work people/old freinds and the like) assume they were black as it was Brixton. As it turns out they werent.

 

[ivebeenhigh]

That's the phone I use, coz I can work it(sort of)

Hope you're feeling ok now, sorry to hear about the mugging

yes but I am a geek. how else am i supposed to display my masculinity if not via the size of my sd card on the number of megapixels I can display...

 

[ivebeenhigh]

U75 is now beginning to contribute to the fear of crime in the same way as the media!

(Big splash when it happens; repeated when there are arrests / charges; repeated when the trail opens; repeated at sentence and then sometimes a "How he was caught" or similar splash a few weeks / months later ... public consciousness = five x offence ... )

what is your alternative?

 

[trashpony]

the muggers? teens with hoodies. i was without my glasses and busying myself with not being harmed further to make much more of an identification. somewhat interestingly/annoyingly most non brixton people I have told about this (family/work people/old freinds and the like) assume they were black as it was Brixton. As it turns out they werent.

Every time I've ever been mugged/attacked (four times iirc) the police have always asked me if my attacker was black. Not 'please describe your attacker' but 'was he black?'.

Very depressing

 

[JHE]

Every time I've ever been mugged/attacked (four times iirc) the police have always asked me if my attacker was black. Not 'please describe your attacker' but 'was he black?'.

Very depressing

I agree to an extent. 'Can you describe the attacker?' seems like a much better question.

But I do wonder whether busy plod might not have had a decent reason or two for asking 'Was he black?', perhaps including experience of victims being worried they'd be thought racist if they mentioned the race of the culprits.

How many of your various attackers were black?

 

[detective-boy]

Which seemed to me to be an attack on the way the media reports crime.

...

By the by, I'm sorry if this comes over as an anti police rant - I'm not intending to engage in anti police ranting; I support the police and their role (but I think they're over managed, under resourced, and too much form filling and general box ticking goes on.)

I fully understand why the media report the same story at different times. I wasn't really criticising them for that, merely commenting on the fact that people don't seem to notice that it is not another crime but the same one come back (as had happened in this thread, which is why I posted in the first place). It illustrates our lack of awareness as readers as much as anything. Sometimes the media don't do as much as they could to counter unnecessary fear of crime and sometimes they go out of their way to play on it. But I wouldn't include the basic reporting of the same story at different times as being part of that.

And as for over-managed / too much form filling ... how much of that is by the police's own choice? Not a huge amount - most of it is a direct result of increased oversight (e.g. consultative groups, police authorities) / requirement to prove value for money / effectiveness (e.g. clear-up rates, league tables, budget accountability, Best Value reviews, inspections (HMIC, Audit Commission ...) / imposition of independence of investigation / prosecution, etc. (e.g. CPS, IPCC) / accountability (e.g. Custody Records / local community groups).

Most of which is a thoroughly good thing and none of which is going to go away.

 

[detective-boy]

what is your alternative?

I don't think there is one. The public need to be educated about the fact that hear the same story five times / becomne more discerning consumers of information though, so that there is no unintended excessive effect on fear of crime.

 

[detective-boy]

But I do wonder whether busy plod might not have had a decent reason or two for asking 'Was he black?',

There is no decent reason for asking a closed question. Whether or not it demonstrates any inate racism is not clear. It may, it may not. But it is incompetent as an investigative step anyway. NO closed questions should ever be used if you want to maximise the value of any evidence you get (at leasdt not until you have got nowhere with open questions).