Check our Sampie Terreblanche's "A History of Inequality in SA" which describes what happened in illuminating detail. Terreblanche was instrumental in arranging talks between the ANC and the Nationalist Government, as well as being a former member of the Broederbond who did a volte face.
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Check our Sampie Terreblanche's "A History of Inequality in SA" which describes what happened in illuminating detail. Terreblanche was instrumental in arranging talks between the ANC and the Nationalist Government, as well as being a former member of the Broederbond who did a volte face.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
He could. By resigning.
david dissadent
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I believe Zuma goes on trial later this year. It will be a very important trial.
david dissadent
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7342127.stm
Vote rigging, recount demand, court coup d'etat WTF is this shit. Its supposed to be Africa, not Florida.
Vote rigging, recount demand, court coup d'etat WTF is this shit. Its supposed to be Africa, not Florida.
GarfieldLeChat
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i have to say i'm shocked at the right wing rhetoric being spunked off with such great joy on this thread. To the poitn where I end up agreeing with poster numbers...
what the hell does that say about the rest of you when poster numbers is the reasonable non ranting non loon on the thread...
it's like a nutfest at nutsvillie on the nut of nut nut de nut...
ffs...
once again the arguements against foregin invasion and occupation are of course universal.
it doesn't bring about change which is needed or required.
it is always done for capital gain.
The people who suffer first, last and longest are those with nothing the poor the working class the ordinary people those without any say or representation.
modern munitions being scattered around like bad seeds falling on barren lands leave a pan-generational indiscriminate scar's on the landscape... (look at the land mines and UXB's still going off in normandy for refference...)
Comodifactional assests of the country are subsummed by the indaving force and always to the detriment of the nation being occupied.
Going war in a place which is tentatively holding on to stablity at the best of times will only cause massive rises in fuedalism tribalism crime and above all secterian death.
and finally and most importantly to get through all peoples heads particularlly thouse who are offering the bush / neo con defence of with us or against us, saying any of this isn't a defacto tactic support of the status quo or a ringing and respounding endorsement of it. It's pointing out that the consiquences of the blood lust for war are far greater than people have clearly considered calling for it so readly...
as churchill said War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
what the hell does that say about the rest of you when poster numbers is the reasonable non ranting non loon on the thread...
it's like a nutfest at nutsvillie on the nut of nut nut de nut...
ffs...
once again the arguements against foregin invasion and occupation are of course universal.
it doesn't bring about change which is needed or required.
it is always done for capital gain.
The people who suffer first, last and longest are those with nothing the poor the working class the ordinary people those without any say or representation.
modern munitions being scattered around like bad seeds falling on barren lands leave a pan-generational indiscriminate scar's on the landscape... (look at the land mines and UXB's still going off in normandy for refference...)
Comodifactional assests of the country are subsummed by the indaving force and always to the detriment of the nation being occupied.
Going war in a place which is tentatively holding on to stablity at the best of times will only cause massive rises in fuedalism tribalism crime and above all secterian death.
and finally and most importantly to get through all peoples heads particularlly thouse who are offering the bush / neo con defence of with us or against us, saying any of this isn't a defacto tactic support of the status quo or a ringing and respounding endorsement of it. It's pointing out that the consiquences of the blood lust for war are far greater than people have clearly considered calling for it so readly...
as churchill said War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Odd how nobody demanded Canada and Mexico send troops into the USA to sort that out, isn't it?
GarfieldLeChat
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Odd how nobody demanded Canada and Mexico send troops into the USA to sort that out, isn't it?
i don't recall germany being asked to go in to belguim more recently either...
david dissadent
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Very poetic and Im sure there is a point related to the issue at hand burried in there somewhere
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Very poetic and Im sure there is a point related to the issue at hand burried in there somewhere
if you're not able to see it then it's revealling a great deal about you...
david dissadent
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Thats nice dear.Now since I am to interprate your words and you will not clarify then you are wrong. No one has called for an imediate armed intervention. I have pointed out that the situation may deteriorate to a point where one becomes necessary. In that case the Zimbabwean army would not be able to resist should they choose to do so. There is more than enough indications that the loyalty of the army is in doubt.
Your knowledge of history is also rather weak as the Indian intervention in East Pakistan and the Vietnamese into Cambodia are widely seen as having averted far worse tragedy than they unleased.
No one said anything about occupation. Again you read what you want too as it makes you feel better than grasping the complex realities of the situation.
What you are dribbling about in terms of 'for capitals gain' I will leave to the readers to imagine. You clearly understand nothing about the local politics and are instead inserting a cookie cutter psuedo marxists interperatation in liue of having anything meaningful to contribute on the ideosyncracies of this particular situation.
The 'Bush neocon' part of your rant is just another cookie cutter bit of prose to plaster all over anything you disagree with.
The current situation inside Zimbabwe is very fluid and loyalty to Mugabwe of many of the major players is in question, however he can rely on a militia he has welded together from some chimurenga veterans and a large group of dissafected youth. I have a strong feeling that a real genocide may be in the offing with this group, unless the army acts against them. They may not have the manpower or the will to do so. There has already been actions that are very reminicint of the early stages of a genocide (denial of food, the founding of special training schools and the like) inside zimbabwe recently.
And for the 'lefites' on this thread the Congress of South African Trade Unions is vehemently opposed to Mugabwe and highly critical of Mbekis softly softly aproach. As has the South African Communist Party.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
yup you're still not getting it...
but hey you clealry want to go off on some transitory tangent....
but hey you clealry want to go off on some transitory tangent....
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Looks like Mugabe's crackdown has just claimed its first victim 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3745203.ece
RIP
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3745203.ece
RIP
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
This is getting shitter by the day:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7366826.stm
"Armed riot police have raided the offices of Zimbabwe's main opposition party in Harare and arrested scores of activists, witnesses say."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7366826.stm
"Armed riot police have raided the offices of Zimbabwe's main opposition party in Harare and arrested scores of activists, witnesses say."
Well I'd say that the failure of the recount to redress ZANU-PF's loss is illustrative of indecision as to the next steps and infighting inside that party as to who will be the pall bearer of power.
I think one can say clearly that change is definitely on the way. It might not be as soon as I'd like but its coming.
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