weltweit
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I don't expect that, it seems he is entrenched very well and even cocking a snook at world opinion by visiting the food meeting recently.
Who would turf him out? and how?
Mugabe thugs burn oppositions wife alive.
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I don't expect that, it seems he is entrenched very well and even cocking a snook at world opinion by visiting the food meeting recently.
Who would turf him out? and how?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
are you saying it would be wrong KBJ to try and prevent a democratically elected leader from a democratically elected party for doing as they see fit inside the place they are elected?
intrestingly i didn't know you were a supporter of Hamas. good to know, otherwise the rank hypocrasy would of course be breath taking as it is painfully obivous...
JHE
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Garfy, dear, I'm sure you and your fellow Israel-haters can find fucking dozens of more suitable threads on which to spew your anti-Zionism and your enthusiasm for Hamarse. Off you go.
Back on topic....
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7452326.stm
Back on topic....
Africa pressure grows on Mugabe
Forty of Africa's most prominent figures have published an open letter calling for Zimbabwe's presidential run-off to be peaceful and fair.
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The group of African leaders, which includes former UN chief Kofi Annan and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, urged an end to violence and intimidation ahead of the presidential run-off.
Forty of Africa's most prominent figures have published an open letter calling for Zimbabwe's presidential run-off to be peaceful and fair.
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The group of African leaders, which includes former UN chief Kofi Annan and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, urged an end to violence and intimidation ahead of the presidential run-off.
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7452326.stm
zenie
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How are they meant to? All of the cities are roadblocked, any opposition is killed, how exactly are the people of Zimbabwe meant to rebel? They'd just be killed!
Mugabe being a democratically elected leader is tosh isn't it?
Is this not something the UN should help with?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
How are they meant to? All of the cities are roadblocked, any opposition is killed, how exactly are the people of Zimbabwe meant to rebel? They'd just be killed!
Mugabe being a democratically elected leader is tosh isn't it?
Is this not something the UN should help with?
Yeah but who's manning the roadblocks... Zimbabweans. It's Zimbabweans that are going without food, getting attacked in their thousands across the border, trying to cope with silly-money that's probably worth less than 2nd Life dollars. The military, the cops, the 'Veterans' Mugabe needs to keep them onside. Workers, farmers, the urban poor, they all have their price too and so far he's paying that with repression. If things are as bad in Zimbabwe as the media says then the regime is on a "spending spree".
Yet he's got power-inflation, Zimbabwean society is under pressure in so many ways that it costs more for Mugabe to stay in power everyday. After the next election it'll cost him more still even if he wins. He can go on tours playing the statesman but when he crosses a certain thresh-hold, everything he does to stay in power undermines his position further, there are plenty of other players ready to cash in on new opportunities to oust him who don't have power-inflation, the political opposition, grasping officers, ambitious cronies. People who think they're in a position to push things basicaly. And if the people are suffering so much then they'll jump at almost any alternative that presents itself, if it doesn't happen in the democratic process then they'll have to choose in a different way but really, Mugabe doesn't want to make them choose an alternative. I'm sure some people's eyes are already looking to what sort of government comes next.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Unfortunately Mugabe appears to have thousands of cronies whose wealth and status are dependent on him staying in power. Let's just pray the old cunt dies pretty soon. Dog shit in human form.
i think he is pretty well looked after by the chinese
saw this recently, and it made me wonder how much of what we see happening in southern africa at the moment has to do with chinese foreign policy. they have a huge interest in the region.
Thanks goodness.
From the Beeb
What an ignorant, insulting (to Rwandans) and sensationalist thing to say. Does Ashdown really see parallels betwen Rwanda and Zimbabwe? Or is it just that he thinks when black people face a political crises they'll pull out the pangas?
And no, I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the situation.
What an ignorant, insulting (to Rwandans) and sensationalist thing to say. Does Ashdown really see parallels betwen Rwanda and Zimbabwe? Or is it just that he thinks when black people face a political crises they'll pull out the pangas?
And no, I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the situation.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Shall we have a poll to see who should be bombed first?
Good idea. China, then France.
The main PR agencies need to be near the top of the list.
I agree, it's easy to cry for an intervention and I have little doubt that a half decent force could remove Mugabe and his cronies in short time. But the entire country is broken and there are clearly plenty of people on the payroll who wouldn't be to keen on any external intervention. You may face civil war or some type of guerilla warfare.
And who would actually want to commit to something like this? What's in it for Britain for example to get involved in Zimbabwe?
Not nice to see countries like this that really shouldn't be fuck-ups.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Wasn't Rhodesia an old British colony?
Maybe you guys have some sort of moral obligation.
Yes it was a british colony ,and i can remember smith declaring udi back in the sixties .maybe if that had not happened a peaceful transistion to majority rule may have come about like in south africa.The recipe is ripe for a civil war ,there are many mugabe supporters who will not like a change in government
JHE
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I think Britain has a moral obligation - but that is certainly NOT to invade.
We've had more than enough bloody folly of invading foreign countries in the last ten years.
If Britain were involved in an invasion of Zimbabwe (and supposing, for the sake of argument, that such an invasion were feasible) that would look to many people in Zimbabwe and beyond like a vindication of what Mugabe has been saying.
If South Africa went in, ousted the government and withdrew following properly conducted elections, that would be a different matter. As well as being much better placed to go in, a SA intervention would be an African intervention. Indeed, it could be an African occupation with Shona troops to the fore. Mugabe's base and ex-supporters and potential supporters are among the Shona. If there were an invasion, it could win hearts and minds to have fellow Shona justifying the operation to the Zimbabwean people.
I don't think that is particularly likely, but if there were to be a military solution, SA is the obvious army for the job.
As for Britain's obligations to Zimbabwe... I hope the British Govt will be able to offer disinterested help in reconstructing Zimbabwe's economy, which is currently in ruins.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Thank fuck for Nelson Mandela. I think his words have far more effect than any tarnished words from the colonialists.
untethered
For industry & decency
at least the old c-'s lost his knighthood now
That's an odd one. Despite the fact that he entirely despises Britain, he's apparently very proud of it and wears his Bath star whenever he can.
Perhaps they should swap his KCB for a KBE just to make the point crystal clear for his addled brain.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
maybe so. But that post colonial guilt would be excorcised through wholly destructive means. We cannot touch the place, we've fucked it enough already. Intervention has to come from within africa, otherwise it will hold no value with the people or the leaders
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