MPs to pay back expenses

[AnnO'Neemus]

I find this helps:

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[tbaldwin]

MPs committing fraud on a grand scale is a trivial non-story, but sexual pecadilloes really really matter.

You're just trolling now.

Yeah just read the latest HOT REVELATION>>.Dewsbury MP claiming for second home in PECKHAM.....Must be fucking rolling in it eh....

 

[tbaldwin]

I find this helps:

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Given your appalling fascistic views expressed on the slumdog thread probably best for both of us.

 

[butchersapron]

Here is the BBCs page detainling their responses to FOI requests abour expenses. You'll notice that the majority of the responses are fobbing offs and outright refusal to answer. The one about the DG general expenses is a link to page that doesn't even exist - the rest are mostly the excuse that it would take more than 2 1/2 days to find out, which means they have no obligation to do respond.

All this is on top of the priveliged exlusions from the FOIA that the BBC alreay has - it doesn't have to answer any question about expenses to do with 'creating output' or relating to 'talent'. That does mean thing like Yentob spending 1 and half grand on a lunch for the executives is released though (17 grand in total over three years on parties and meals).

Shall we a look at some other public institutions. What other likely ones are there?

 

[tbaldwin]

Well you would probably guess the BBC could be next given the hostility to them by the other big media barons especially Murdoch.
Hopefully local council waste as well. And then who knows....But the thing is that at some point people might start asking about the overall justification for huge wage differentials in this country and i think the press might call it a day then.

 

[butchersapron]

Well you would probably guess the BBC could be next given the hostility to them by the other big media barons especially Murdoch.
Hopefully local council waste as well. And then who knows....But the thing is that at some point people might start asking about the overall justification for huge wage differentials in this country and i think the press might call it a day then.

Are you finally starting to get my point now then?

 

[pk]

Yeah just read the latest HOT REVELATION>>.Dewsbury MP claiming for second home in PECKHAM.....Must be fucking rolling in it eh....

You know how much a decent property in Peckham goes for now?

Mr Malik bought a home in Peckham in 2001 for £85,000... since becoming elected in 2005 he has claimed the maximum amount allowable for a second home, £66,827 over three years. Last year he claimed £23,083 for his London house.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/05/15/justice-mp-tops-claims-115875-21360446/

 

[tbaldwin]

You know how much a decent property in Peckham goes for?

Yes.

 

[tbaldwin]

Are you finally starting to get my point now then?

Hopefully butchers the debate will go a lot further than some bullshit about bath plugs and a few grand here and there. What i disagreed with you about was that you seemed to see it at that stage as some great scandal and massive news story.
It wasnt but given time it could develop into something a whole lot more interesting....I hope MPs will be forced to resign over this but i also hope people start to ask serious questions of how we spend public money and about pay differentials especially in the public sector.

 

[pk]

Yes.

He claimed back £65 he was fined for his non-payment of council tax courts summons, FFS.

Are you seriously suggesting that because he's not as rich as some MPs, that he should flout the rules with impunity??

 

[tbaldwin]

He claimed back £65 he was fined for his non-payment of council tax courts summons, FFS.

Are you seriously suggesting that because he's not as rich as some MPs, that he should flout the rules with impunity??

£65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck me if i knew it was that much id have gone on hunger strike for a month.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No.
But you do come out with endless middle class liberal wank......I dont give a fuck about your parents or that you do manual work...You still have NO class politics.....
Even on Newsnight last night there was an actual News story on a multinational company trafigua dumping Toxic waste in Sieera Leone....People dying as a result.....What kind of twat posts on political threads all day and thinks somebodys expenses are more important than that?

Ah, the usual "cunt's trick" of shifting the terms of the "debate" and introducing another subject, concern for which highlights your "right-on" up-to-the-minute social conscience.

Guess what? No-one has claimed that one thing is "more important" than another, you gobshite.

 

[Cressi]

All prisoners inside HMP system for 'benefit fraud' 'non payment of council tax' should be immediately released. Mums given their only homes back and children returned safely.

They can pay back at an affordable rate.

 

[pk]

£65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck me if i knew it was that much id have gone on hunger strike for a month.

You're a bit of a dickhead aren't you really?

 

[rikwakefield]

£65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck me if i knew it was that much id have gone on hunger strike for a month.

Now I know you're trolling.

 

[tbaldwin]

You're a bit of a dickhead aren't you really?

Possibly a bit harsh, but probably a lot less intelligent than some on here.

 

[ymu]

Brown's taking the initiative on deselection.

Any Labour MP found to have made improper expenses claims will be automatically deselected and barred from standing at the next general election as the party desperately tries to overcome the constitutional crisis facing parliament.

The Guardian has learned that the *radical proposal is expected to be agreed next week by Labour's national executive, a move that acknowledges the deep anger among voters to the escalating scandal over MPs' claims.

...

The prime minister, who is expected to give a major TV interview on Sunday, is to resist a more sweeping grassroots proposal from leftwing NEC members that would compel every sitting Labour MP to go though a fresh selection process so the public can be reassured all candidates are "fit and proper persons" to stand at the election. Labour officials met and said such a move would be unfair.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/15/mps-expenses-labour-deselected

Is it not up to the local parties if they want to subject their MPs to a deselection process and put someone less venal in place? Are they going to be satisfied with a few sacrificial lambs, chosen by the party leadership and replaced with the preferred candidates, or is there any scope for the local parties to make their own decisions here?

 

[butchersapron]

The centre can do pretty much what it wants to the local parties. I expect some of the local parties will be thinking along the same lines anyway.

 

[ymu]

So will this inevitably remain a limited PR exercise with a "few bad apples" being replaced by Brownites, or will the local parties be able to put in their own candidates if they wish and force deselection procedures whether or not the centre agrees?

I don't know much about local party politics, or what kind of membership the local labour parties still have. One local party got it together to threaten their MP with deselection if he didn't vote against war in Iraq, for example - presumably they all could have done. Are we likely to see an outbreak of local democracy, or does the centre really have it sewn up? And do the local labour parties have any left-wing membership to speak of any more?

 

[butchersapron]

The lcoal aprties are pretty much powerless if the centre decides to act - they can deselcet Mps, remove candidates, impose candidates and so on. The only way around is for the whole CLP to leave and set up an independent group as in Blaenau Gwent (where they still have the MP) - which is not to going to happen in the year before a GE where they look like they couild be heading for wipeout.

 

[ymu]

Thanks. And bugger.

 

[butchersapron]

You can all fuck off says MP

However, the former civil servant told the Daily Telegraph he did not intend to "repay a penny" after correspondence showed the Wirral South MP sought – and was given – permission to reclaim the interest payments on the full value of his original mortgage despite paying off £295,000 of the loan in 2002.

[...]

When asked by the Telegraph whether he intended to repay the money, he reportedly said: "The answer is no. It's all something that was agreed a long time ago."

(Oh no, it's a labour MP, maybe i'm doing 'the medias' bidding?)

 

[ymu]

Can't find the link, but the Guardian reported "lawyers as saying" that compliance with the house rules doesn't necessarily mean that a claim is legal. Let's hope these scum end up in court and are so thoroughly shamed they'll have no hope of a lucrative consultancy when they're finished with. Oh noes, they might have to do a real job for real wages. Scum.

 

[butchersapron]

Here is the BBCs page detainling their responses to FOI requests abour expenses. You'll notice that the majority of the responses are fobbing offs and outright refusal to answer. The one about the DG general expenses is a link to page that doesn't even exist - the rest are mostly the excuse that it would take more than 2 1/2 days to find out, which means they have no obligation to do respond.

All this is on top of the priveliged exlusions from the FOIA that the BBC alreay has - it doesn't have to answer any question about expenses to do with 'creating output' or relating to 'talent'. That does mean thing like Yentob spending 1 and half grand on a lunch for the executives is released though (17 grand in total over three years on parties and meals).

Shall we a look at some other public institutions. What other likely ones are there?

BBC now doing potential damage limitation exercise - some expenses details released