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MPs to pay back expenses

tbaldwin said:
I am economically middle class VP its true....Nothing to be ashamed of as far as im concerned... i am bleedin proud of it, especially when i come into contact with people who had all the advantages in life that i didnt who are pretending to be proles....Its GREAT.
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I suspect that to you anyone who doesn't agree with you "had the advantages you didn't" and is "pretending to be a prole".
 
Prince Rhyus said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...mortgage-that-did-not-exist-MPs-expenses.html

Allegedly claiming for a mortgage that didn't exist...norty boi!
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Elliot Morley, the former agriculture minister, continued claiming for the mortgage interest on his constituency home for more than 18 months after the loan had been repaid.

Lawyers last night said that the claims could constitute a criminal offence under the 2006 Fraud Act and the 1968 Theft Act.
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tut tut!

chances of a prosecution??
 
Seamus Milne makes a lot of the points on this thread here. He concludes on a tiny note of hope.

Breaking the domination of the main parties would be welcome if it opened up politics to the anti-war, pro-equality, anti-privatisation majority disenfranchised by New Labour. In current circumstances, that looks highly unlikely. But what the Westminster crisis and expected electoral meltdown might encourage is a challenge to the centralised grip that has squeezed out internal party democracy, in Labour in particular, and created a parliament full of careerist clones. That's a change that will be essential if a remoralisation of parliament is to make itself felt across society as a whole.
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So, people who know stuff about local party politics, is it too late for the local parties to deselect their MPs in time for the next election? If so, the chances of it happening?

This is after all New Labour's legacy: a reflection of the wider society it has fostered and the logical consequence of the Mandelsonian battle cry "we are intensely relaxed about people becoming filthy rich". Who can be surprised if the party's spear-carriers wanted a slice of the action? As politics became increasingly professionalised and managerial, local parties were hollowed out and MPs became disconnected from their voters, they saw their peers minting it in a help-yourself, ideology-lite culture – and felt they were entitled to do the same.

The contrast between Labour's socialist MP for Luton North, Kelvin *Hopkins, who commutes to work and claimed £36.45 of his annual £4,800 food allowance, and the neighbouring New Labour MP, Margaret Moran, who "flipped" her second home allowance between Luton, Southampton and London and is now repaying a £22,500 under duress, could not be clearer.
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Why did they not wait until just before the general election before publishing this story. It would have given them months to research this story and pull all the skeletons out in the open.
 
stowpirate said:
Why did they not wait until just before the general election before publishing this story.
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Because the information becomes public under the freedom of information act in a month or two any way. It's just being reported now because of the leak to the Toryograph.
 
Citizen66 said:
Because the information becomes public under the freedom of information act in a month or two any way. It's just being reported now because of the leak to the Toryograph.
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I know, the timing was out a tad on this one. If this was all published in the Sunday papers the week before a general election there would have been a circus and the most entertaining week of politics for the voters :D

A vice-president of the RSPCA and an honorary fellow of Lincoln University would have claimed another £16k by then :D
 
If nothing else you're good value for money balders :D So, you, a self confessed middle class person, economically well off and secure are dismissing me (brought up a council estate to imigrant parents, left school at 16, never went to uni, never owned any property, not even a car, no pension, no savings, only ever done unskilled manual work) and my anger at these thieving scumbags for speaking from a postion of privilege - for being a public school trot with shares in the Telegraph? I hadn't realised labour had appopinted a new in-touch head of PR. Congrats.
 
Streathamite said:
How on EARTH can the following POSSIBLY be 'irrelevant';
1) misuse of OUR taxes, at a time when most of us are struggling
2) the integrity, morality and geed of those WE elect
3) the further erosion of popular faith in the current 'democratic' system.
jesus aneurin christ...
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4) the hypocrisy of those who use their positino to make social policy against sections of the community (such as those whose weekly incomes are equivalent to an expense claim for a new kettle).
 
butchersapron said:
If nothing else you're good value for money balders :D So, you, a self confessed middle class person, economically well off and secure are dismissing me (brought up a council estate to imigrant parents, left school at 16, never went to uni, never owned any property, not even a car, no pension, no savings, only ever done unskilled manual work) and my anger at these thieving scumbags for speaking from a postion of privilege - for being a public school trot with shares in the Telegraph? I hadn't realised labour had appopinted a new in-touch head of PR. Congrats.
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No.
But you do come out with endless middle class liberal wank......I dont give a fuck about your parents or that you do manual work...You still have NO class politics.....
Even on Newsnight last night there was an actual News story on a multinational company trafigua dumping Toxic waste in Sieera Leone....People dying as a result.....What kind of twat posts on political threads all day and thinks somebodys expenses are more important than that?
 
tbaldwin said:
No.
But you do come out with endless middle class liberal wank......I dont give a fuck about your parents or that you do manual work...You still have NO class politics.....
Even on Newsnight last night there was an actual News story on a multinational company trafigua dumping Toxic waste in Sieera Leone....People dying as a result.....What kind of twat posts on political threads all day and thinks somebodys expenses are more important than that?
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...and hang on, you were the one who brought people backgrounds into it. You can't cry when you're shown to be talking out of your hole.
 
Yes, and your Margeret Hodge millionaire type don't you care about the poor black babies politics is cutting edge class war. Haven't you people got better things to do than look at what i'm up to?
 
funny cartoon from steve bell:

14.05.09-Steve-Bell-on-MP-001.jpg
 
My god, here's Elliot Morley (16 grand) playing the martyr:

"I have made a mistake, I apologise for that and I take full responsibility. My priority was to repay and if I suffer financially as a result of that, I have only myself to blame,"

What a hero.
 
Well, he was required to submit a bank statement to prove he was paying mortgage interest (as they all had to from 2007) and he managed to do so, despite being perfectly well aware that it was an endowment payment (that they are explicitly banned from claiming for). He can't claim it was an error when he submitted fraudulent documents. He was later asked to provide an actual mortgage statement in March 2008, but claims that he had no idea of the "error" until now.

Jail.
 
It appears that this charming couple may have to pay back 8-9 years worth of mortgage interest on both houses. That's another quarter of a million plus back in the piggy bank. :cool:
 
She was caught up in corruption before, taking backhanders off industrialists - not to mention being engaged to auto-erotic asphyxiation martyr Stephem Milligan.
 
butchersapron said:
She was caught up in corruption before, taking backhanders off industrialists - not to mention being engaged to auto-erotic asphyxiation martyr Stephem Milligan.
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Stephen Milligan, Harvey Procter,Lilley and Portillo....Once upon a time we used to have MP scandals that were interesting....What has happened to this once great country of ours....now its bath plugs and cleaning bills.....
 
tbaldwin said:
Stephen Milligan, Harvey Procter,Lilley and Portillo....Once upon a time we used to have MP scandals that were interesting....What has happened to this once great country of ours....now its bath plugs and cleaning bills.....
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Well yes, but then the standard of British political scandals has steadily declined since its high point under Gladstone anyway.
 
tbaldwin said:
Stephen Milligan, Harvey Procter,Lilley and Portillo....Once upon a time we used to have MP scandals that were interesting....What has happened to this once great country of ours....now its bath plugs and cleaning bills.....
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MPs committing fraud on a grand scale is a trivial non-story, but sexual pecadilloes really really matter.

You're just trolling now.
 
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