butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on...i'll get this in a minute..mugs...nugs? zugs? etc.. no, nope no good.
MPs to pay back expenses
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Hang on...i'll get this in a minute..mugs...nugs? zugs? etc.. no, nope no good.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
The point is that this is what should have happened when Elizabeth Filkin was forced out, but the lobby journalists either ignored it or actively assisted politicians in attacking her (only one or two sprang to her defence, and it wasnt enough). The sidelineing, ignoring and ultimate removal of an independent investigator by MPs should have been a far greater story than it was.
Because of their acquiesence they thought they could get away with it. It has taken the actions of some incredibly commendable people - Heather Brooke and Norman Baker to name just two - and the leak of some thus far nameless worthy to expose it.
And tbaldwin thinks this is a non-event.
Of course it affects me. I don't want laws that strip my civil liberties away from me to be driven through parliament by scumbags who are driven solely by self interest and enriching themselves out of my taxes.
And tbaldwin thinks this is a non-event.
No i think its a hyped up load of bollocks....And that the Telegraph have done brilliantly in news management....
So dont vote for him then. I bet you wouldnt have done anyway...So whats changed NOTHING.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
You should put that last bit on a poster, with a big VOTE LABOUR right below it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
might as well bark at car exhausts
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think he does -and inhales too.
I don't vote.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why has nothing changed?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Not to mention that you'd have to be pretty bloody foolish to miss the "perfect storm" aspects of this scenario. It's not just what revelations are made, it's the "public mood" (albeit mediated by the press) when they are made. There's an awful lot to feel moody about right now, and the media is picking up on that rather well. It's fairly easy to see that the implications of this go an awful lot further than a few million quid's worth of fraudulent expense claims.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
...[chopped off my own post from elsewhere] as they've done no proper on-the-ground work, those who have will benefit. Simple. It's the BNP.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It will be if they keep on with this "dont attack democracy" line of defence, as witnessed on the BBC today, as if democracy was solely defined by elected representatives getting free porn and their moats scoured.
rikwakefield
Born to be Mild
I get the distinct impression you are trying to wind people up.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And if people like baldwin can't see that this should be the spingboard to attacking the BBC (some brain dead on 92 grand of our money - why?) and people he hates rather than a hush up then sorry pal, you've not got a political bone in your body. They're out there for fuck sake's - go get them instead of doing this ooh i hate the telegraph bullshit.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
good post
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I've not either but I still think this is a huge story because of it's affect, and how people must feel. You're job's under threat, or you've lost it. You're nearly or have lost your house and you see this shit, your natural reaction is justified anger.
Pretty much. You can tell just how big this is by how the media don't quite know what to do with it, they just keep on reporting but not able to predict the outcomes as normal...
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
How does knowing that the people who run the country you reside in are a bunch of thieving bastards not effect you?
Sure you've suspected it all along but now it's been confirmed with actual facts. I take your point about corrupt councils etc but this story puts a stamp on all of it. This has confirmed once and for all that our whole system is completely bankrupt of morals and has greed at the forefront of its operation. That confirmation alone is what makes this whole story so huge.
If this was 200 years ago the only sound you'd hear would be the sharpening of guillotines.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where's rthw end point though? Nowhere, we get a load of more pigs. Do we need to be governed this way?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I didn't quite get your post at first but now i've just seen Lord Foulkes on youtube. 'kinell 92 grand to read an autocue! I did actually agree with quite a few of Foulkes's points. You're also quite right that expenses debacle is a great springboard to attack the BBC.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It might not help their case but he had a very good point. That amount of money is far too high for the job she does.
scifisam
deleted
Yup.
Just because there are other bad things going on too doesn't mean this one should be ignored. That line of thinking's self-defeating, anyway: don't get angry about this, because a university got paid too much in fees. Don't get angry about that, because a charity pays its manager £250k. Don't get angry about that, because a council spent £10k on new carpets for one boardroom. Don't get angry about that, because ....
There's always something bigger than the current issue of the day. What are we supposed to do pick one really big issue (like, say, the recommisioning of trident) and think about nothing but that day in day out? Act as if John being murdered means that Joe being paralysed in the same incident doesn't matter at all?
It's no big deal that a couple of fools on a messageboard are proposing this diversionary thinking, but Stephen Fry's supposed to be really clever and quite a lot of people pay him heed.
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Yes, he's become a BBC caricature of yesteryear's lovies. Robert Robinson with floppy hair and a ready quip.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Yup.
Just because there are other bad things going on too doesn't mean this one should be ignored. That line of thinking's self-defeating, anyway: don't get angry about this, because a university got paid too much in fees. Don't get angry about that, because a charity pays its manager £250k. Don't get angry about that, because a council spent £10k on new carpets for one boardroom. Don't get angry about that, because ....
There's always something bigger than the current issue of the day. What are we supposed to do pick one really big issue (like, say, the recommisioning of trident) and think about nothing but that day in day out? Act as if John being murdered means that Joe being paralysed in the same incident doesn't matter at all?
It's no big deal that a couple of fools on a messageboard are proposing this diversionary thinking, but Stephen Fry's supposed to be really clever and quite a lot of people pay him heed.
The whole story is a hyped up joke.
Am i really supposed to care if Douglas Hogg claimed expenses to have his moat cleaned? On what basis? does it effect me? Isnt it really more important that he has such a mansion in the first place?
This story is bringing out the really fucking stupid in people...Makes me think of the kind of people who condemn fare dodgers and seem to forget how much we were all ripped off when they privatised the rail network...
Its a fucking drop in the ocean....Its like moaning about sommebody stealing a mars bar fromm you while somebody is stealing your new car.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You really don't get it do you, baldwin? either that or you're on a wind up.
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