magneze
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It would widen the field of policies that might actually get a look in. At present we get one centre right party or another, PR could change that entirely...
MPs Expenses & Voter Apathy
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dennisr
the acceptable face
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you could get your moat cleaned at our expense
Ba-doom-TISH!
I think it would help if the House of Lords was fully selected by proportional representation it would give smaller parties more of a chance. And it might encourage a party to the left of labour more dynamic and pragmatic than the usual shower of shit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
IT would make no diffrense whatsoever weirdo
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why do you think they'll allow a proper left wing party through parliamentary?
If enough people voted for a Socialist party what do you think they would do....Find out where all the voters lived and murder them in their beds!!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What have they done where it happened?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
who would have far too small a representation to do anything other than ask easily-swatted questions and be noisily impotent. It's the system that is the problem, and the fact that real power resides in whitehall and the boardrooms
So what is the solution? Spontaneous revolution across the world? Or maybe arguing consistently for an extension of democracy.
Myself i think that we live in a limited democracy and i want to see democracy increased gradually and sustainably.
And you say easily swatted questions but its important to start from somewhere.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I will vote and I will always vote(or spoil a paper) because people died for my right to vote and I would feel guilty if I didn't honour them.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
That went well, didn't it.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Did they fight and die for your right to put a bit of paper in a black box, or for a meaningful say in how your community, region, and country is run?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
bloke catches on quick, don't he.....
you can't 'extend' from zero, you can only create
we live in a sham democracy, and 'gradual' change is not sustainable, except from a conservative POV
not if it leads from nowhere to nowhere
The Green Party do actually have a "none of the above option" in all their internal elections - it is called "reopen nominations". I think a "Reopen Nominations" options in national and local elections is a completely reasonable demand. That said, in the current election, with the rise of the far right, you do not have to be a committed supporter of the current system to want to vote for a least worst option to try and stop the BNP gaining access to shed loads of Euro cash and legitimacy to spread their hatred and lies.....
Yes.
Sadly a lot of people now seem to ignore this. We live in a limited democracy but its a whole lot better than living in a country with no democracy.
It makes me laugh to see the infantile comments of privelleged people who say they want revolution or radical change......I dont think they do.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Nope I don't ignore this, not at all. In fact it makes it that much more painful because members of my family fought in one or both world wars, one of them died too. We should all collectively feel ashamed because of the system we live in and the system we've allowed to grow up around us. As has already been said, I think if people who fought in the wars knew what the system would be like know I don't think as many of them would've bothered.
We don't live in a democracy at all, not even a limited one. Yeah sure we can protest but only in certain areas and the protests are very rarely listened to anyway. Yeah we can vote too, but only for parties that all have nearly exactly the same ideas, for parties who are essentially backed by the same people financially, for parties who only make grovelling apologies when they're stealing has been found out and for parties who are pretty much indifferent to the plight of the ordinary person on the street. Yeah, our democracy is great.
Comparing them to other regimes does you no favours either, who do you think backs most of these regimes with weapons and funding? When you vote tory/labour/whoever you're not only voting for incompetence in this country but you're also implicit in voting for the deaths of people in other countries.
That is just crap. We live in a country where we can protest and vote. It is a limited democracy. The main reason that our voting choice is so limited is the power of the media and the fact that the Left has been so dominated by squabbling middle class idiots.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
A country where protest and voting means nothing anymore. Yeah you're right about the media. My problem with the system is not just the politicians it's the whole lot of it. Just because we can vote it doesn't make it a democracy, I mean fuck, people can vote in Zimbabwe, Russia and North Korea, would you call them limited democracies too?
You say voting and protesting makes no difference But i think your completely wrong.
Labour getting into power meant a switch in policies from the Tories....They doubled spending on health and education. A lot of that money has been incredibly badly wasted but to say it has made no difference is just ignorant wank.
Some protests are more effective than others the fuel protesters were a lot more effective than the anti war protesters. One seemed to be very focused on an achievable aim and the other seemed confused from the start.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
None of this makes a difference though does it? as if throwing money at something is the answer and it's clearly not. I do see your point, baldwin, but none of this has changed anything and it never will because the system we live in puts profit before people. War, disease, hunger, poverty, crime etc will not change under this system, if it does change it will only be very little amounts.
The fuel protests worked briefly but it didn't achieve any fundamental change did it? prices now are at the same as they were then and have been higher, so in the long term fuck all was achieved. Same with education and the NHS, sure more money was spent but fuck all was achieved. Again, I take your point about waste but I still don't think anything will be solved under this system. Our whole country is a registered corporation and by definition corporations have to make profit to survive. Corporations will always, always put profit before people because they have to do whatever it takes to survive. No matter how they dress it up they're always gonna put that profit aim before the people.
Politicians, money, profit, all of it has to go if we are to have any chance at not wiping ourselves out. There is so much anger and confusion around, people are demoralised and broken on a very deep level. It's all down to this system we live in.
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