littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'd go for the woolly liberals out of that lot. It's not a disgustingly narrow choice.
MPs Expenses & Voter Apathy
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danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
That's like looking through the Freeview and terrestrial listings and opting for a repeat of Dragon's Den on Dave because it's not quite as bad as anything else that's on. Turn the TV off and do something else.I'd go for the woolly liberals out of that lot. It's not a disgustingly narrow choice.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Given the above choice, I think I might vote. Inasmuch as voting makes any difference at all, adding to a strong showing for a bunch of woolly liberals against an assortment of neo-liberal wankers might make the appearance of a credible socialist alternative in the future a tiny bit more likely.That's like looking through the Freeview and terrestrial listings and opting for a repeat of Dragon's Den on Dave because it's not quite as bad as anything else that's on. Turn the TV off and do something else.
Sadly I'm in the constituency of that careerist NL wanker David Lammy. Lib Dems are second but with a 13 k majority you could probably put up a dog turd with a red rosette on it and it would get elected. Hopefully this time the lib dems will pick up votes from people disaatisfied with NL.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Ah. £25k for a second home, even though he lives in London.
Will you be voting Lib Dem to oust him?
Oh yes I'll be voting Lib Dem for tactical reasons. He's got to go.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Your thread title is a little unfair.
I'm less likely to vote, in fact i'm not gonna vote anymore period. This isn't due to me being apathetic, apathy would mean i'm indifferent to the political system and this isn't true.
What I am is completely fucking sick of it. I'm sick of it never changing anything, i'm sick of people needlessly suffering because of it and i'm sick of how it's made society. I'm sure this is the case for many people.
We don't have democracy, democracy in this country is a fucking joke, again you all know this. The trouble is though is people will vote for the tories because they foolishly believe it will change things but it won't, it will be exactly the same, in fact it will probably be worse. The system needs to fall on its arse and that is gradually happening. No amount of protesting or militancy is going to achieve that, the only way to achieve it is to stop participating in it as much as possible. The best way to do that, IMO, is to not vote for anyone, cause none of them speak for me or offer any alternatives.
I'm less likely to vote, in fact i'm not gonna vote anymore period. This isn't due to me being apathetic, apathy would mean i'm indifferent to the political system and this isn't true.
What I am is completely fucking sick of it. I'm sick of it never changing anything, i'm sick of people needlessly suffering because of it and i'm sick of how it's made society. I'm sure this is the case for many people.
We don't have democracy, democracy in this country is a fucking joke, again you all know this. The trouble is though is people will vote for the tories because they foolishly believe it will change things but it won't, it will be exactly the same, in fact it will probably be worse. The system needs to fall on its arse and that is gradually happening. No amount of protesting or militancy is going to achieve that, the only way to achieve it is to stop participating in it as much as possible. The best way to do that, IMO, is to not vote for anyone, cause none of them speak for me or offer any alternatives.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
http://www.noneoftheaboveparty.org.uk/
Interestingly, if you click this link and search for the word "none" you'll find that "none of the above" is the one and only banned expression when registering a political party. Says quite alot really.
It says that smug tossers who want to vote 'none of the above' are wankers of the highest order.
If you want to vote, then vote. If you dont, then dont. And if you are that bothered by the lack of choice then make the effort and stand yourself.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It's not about being smug, it's about registering your disdain for the political system. The trouble is people who don't vote are viewed as apathetic, a none of the above option will dispel that notion. Do feel free to carry on with your assumptions and abuse though.
The last option has to be a wind up. No independent candidate gets anywhere because the media doesn't give them the time of day. Even well established parties, greens for example, get bugger all notice.
Nonsense. If you dont like the political system then dont vote. Its simple as that. But wanting to say 'none of the above' is the whining of the pathetic. And its not even that original given the amount of drongos who claim that they would like this option.
Anarchists who think the whole system a load of bollocks and dont vote I can respect. Even those who cannot be arsed to vote, well thats there choice and whilst I think it wrong at least they dont try and act like attention seekers over it.
But the 'none of the above' clique are a waste of space. Lowest of the political low. Even people who go and vote BNP are worthy of more consideration in the political process.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they don't even count NOTA anymore, you go in the pile of people who were to simple to tick a box correctly.
making effort and standing yourself, well thats costly and who are trying to motivate? people who are disengaged and dismissive of parliamentary democracy.
You see why that won't work don't you?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Steady on, that's booking yourself a place on the List*
*you were on it anyway I'm afraid
Your list ? LOL. From what I have read on here you are the top of the piss and wind league so I'll take my chances and not lose to much sleep.
You aint got it in you.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over this unnecessarily. I find it rather amusing that you think of me a smug attention seeker just for wanting to vote NOTA. It would send more of a message than not voting at all and this is precisely why they banned that one and only phrase from registering. I never even claimed it was original, where did you get that idea from?
The last paragraph is an extremely cheap shot.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Your list ? LOL. From what I have read on here you are the top of the piss and wind league so I'll take my chances and not lose to much sleep.
You aint got it in you.
You're half right, but if you care to engage with the point above that joke post you might have some insight as to what is to be done about the vast disengagement and dissatisfaction with parliamentary politics
What ?
Lets imagine the morning of June 5th. The BNP have got at least one MEP elected.
Now do you think the political focus will be on those who voted BNP and the reasons why ? Or do you think that they will be concerned about the muppets who wrote 'none of the above' on the ballot paper or did not vote ?
Our political system is one in which things are ultimately decided by people voting. Its really as simple as that. Now you can have every smug and clever sounding conversation about it you want but none of it alters anything and the most illiterate and ignorant knuckle scraper who makes it to the voting booth come election day and votes BNP means more in terms of impact than the cleverest and most articulate proponent of the 'none of the above' option.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Writing none of the above won't have any impact, I agree with that point. However, if there was an official option for NOTA, i.e. allowing for a proper democracy where people can voice how they truly feel, instead of just voting for a party cause they're the lesser of evils, and that option came on or near the top, people would be very interested in that. Having an official NOTA option would probably lower the BNP vote because I think alot of people vote for them out of disgust for the other parties.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
You're not getting me. What is to be done about the disengagement with the political process? You'll vote tory in the EU's cos you are a tory bastard and I'll vote no2eu because it's the only sensible option for a protest vote aimed at keeping out the BNP. A frightening majority won't bother cos they think the whole process is bollox and nothing really changes. Can you tell them they're wrong?
At least a NOTA voter makes a symbolic gesture, and your idea of 'they should stand and campaign rather than do a NOTA' is a nice idea but in realpolitik it isn't going to work.
Well you are right in that I will be voting Tory for the reasons you give but I would, if the BNP stood a chance in the South East, vote for who ever kept the pricks out. But I concede that I am probably more anti-BNP than you and dont put preconditions on trying to defeat them.
But politicians, who are now in the main ones for whom it is their whole career, dont give a stuff about people who dont vote as a matter of principle and even less for those who go for the 'none of the above' option. They are, on the whole, an irrelevance to the progress they make. They pay lip service but essentially it allows them to focus on those who will vote and saves them time and effort.
Anybody who does not vote in the Euro elections and then starts moaning about the BNP doing well needs to look at themselves in the mirror and realise that, and its a cliche I accept, that since they aint tried to be part of the solution then they are part of the problem.
There is going to be no revolution in this country. Its as simple as that. This is the system we have and there is nothing that is going to change that beyond some completely unforseen happening. All the wishful thinking and pontificating aint going to stop things.
So you either participate in things and vote or you dont. There really is no middle ground beyond being an attention seeking twonk (the one thing about the 'none of the above' crowd is that they never take advantage of the secret nature of our system).
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yes there will be a revolution in this country but it won't be in the traditional sense. Technology will soon be able to do the majority of jobs and the majority of human labour will be out of the equation. A monetary system, as i'm sure you're aware, requires money to be earned through labour and then spent elsewhere. When that labour is dwindled they'll be less people earning money, therefore less money to be spent. A system with that much unemployment is clearly unsustainable and will fall on its own arse.
The steel industry in Sheffield is a prime example of this, more steel is now produced at a fraction of the cost when humans were doing the labour, all because of machines. Sure alot of them went into the service industry but machines will be able to do most of that also. This complete revamp of the system might not happen in our life time but it will happen. Nothing is fixed, including systems of society.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
why? and to what end? it's the system that's utterly defunct, and its' attendant political culture, and the MPs are a natural byproduct of that, in that we end up with those sort of people, inevitably. signing up for it just delays and debars real, meaningful change.
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
I voted that it wouldn't change my voting pattern, cos I never intended to vote anyway. I guess I'm not alone in this?
_angel_
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How would it change what was on offer?
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