Movements in Money Supply Indicates Possible Foreknowledge of Catastrophe Ahead

[editor]

First they came for the Muslims... Then they came for the "conspiracy theorists".:

Classic deluded, paranoid, conspiracy drivel of the highest order.

If 'they' were after you, how come 'they' haven't stopped you posting your, err, damning exposes of the (guffaw) 'truth' here for years on end, eh?

And how come all those bonkers, barmy conspiracy sites revealing the (ahem) 'real story' haven't all been closed down?

Why hasn't the Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering gang silenced all those pesky sites?

Any ideas? Care to hazard a guess, Sherlock?

"..and then they came for the "conspiracy theorists..."

Bwahahaha! What a reality-untroubled dreamer you are, bigfish!

Look out! Hide!!! They're after yooooo-hoooooo!!!!

 

[nala1917]

Someone seems to be protesting just a tad too much ...

 

[blosch]

Classic deluded, paranoid, conspiracy drivel of the highest order.

If 'they' were after you, how come 'they' haven't stopped you posting your, err, damning exposes of the (guffaw) 'truth' here for years on end, eh?

And how come all those bonkers, barmy conspiracy sites revealing the (ahem) 'real story' haven't all been closed down?

Why hasn't the Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering gang silenced all those pesky sites?

Any ideas? Care to hazard a guess, Sherlock?

"..and then they came for the "conspiracy theorists..."


Bwahahaha! What a reality-untroubled dreamer you are, bigfish!

Look out! Hide!!! They're after yooooo-hoooooo!!!!

I don't count myself as a conspiracy nut, or particularly paranoid. But the world has changed since 911. Governments are geting more brazen in their approach to domestic security. Currently an international effort is being started to monitor web forums for Paedophile groomers. About time, but couldn't those same monitors note political posters. Website editors are required to hand over IP addresses if ordered to. ISP's now keep copies of emails we all send. Text, email and mobile calls are routinely intercepted. Stop and search encompasses more reasons to do so. ID cards, barcodes on postal ballot forms.

If it's all used for the war against terror, or Paedophiles, or drug pushers, fair enough.

But it is possible to be too complacent.

(personally, I'm convinced the editor of this site was "disappeared" and replaced by an MI6 stooge long ago)

 

[editor]

Someone seems to be protesting just a tad too much ...

Really? What do you mean?
Please elaborate.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip> First they came for the Muslims... Then they came for the "conspiracy theorists".

Well, to be honest, I suspect that conspiracy theorists, especially the really creative ones are an asset to anyone engaged in clandestine nastiness. The more lizard-fanciers there are out there, the more protective camoflage is created for clandestine actions.

My favourite example of this (you've heard it before, but I'll trot it out anyhow) is the US stealth fighter. Developed in total secrecy and flying in squadron strength out of Nellis AFB. Around the same time, a whole bunch of Area 51 stories about deep frozen aliens and captured UFOs appeared. Oddly enough, Area 51 was located in the very same airforce base.

Hence when reports of odd looking aircraft that didn't show up on radar started appearing ...

 

[editor]

Well, to be honest, I suspect that conspiracy theorists, especially the really creative ones are an asset to anyone engaged in clandestine nastiness.

Indeed. Those spouting truly bonkers tales of missile firing holographic planes, self imploding WTC towers and CIA Mike Yarwoods only make it harder for serious, rational people trying to investigate events surrounding 9/11.

Hold on. Maybe they're the ones being sponsored by the CIA and not me!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip> Hold on. Maybe they're the ones being sponsored by the CIA and not me!

If you look at current US military doctrine, they make a big thing about 'information operations' I would imagine that their clandestine operations doctrine does also. So I don't think it's at all inconceivable that the people who are paid to do undemocratic, secretive and often downright appalling things, make very sure that they stir up the conspiracy theorists with some exciting disinformation when they're planning activities that might draw suspicion. It's too good an opportunity to miss.

 

[editor]

So I don't think it's at all inconceivable that the people who are paid to do undemocratic, secretive and often downright appalling things, make very sure that they stir up the conspiracy theorists with some exciting disinformation when they're planning activities that might draw suspicion. It's too good an opportunity to miss.

So are you saying that DrJ, bigfish and the rest of the outlandish conspiracy gang are all CIA operatives?

 

[Dillinger4]

Classic deluded, paranoid, conspiracy drivel of the highest order.

If 'they' were after you, how come 'they' haven't stopped you posting your, err, damning exposes of the (guffaw) 'truth' here for years on end, eh?

And how come all those bonkers, barmy conspiracy sites revealing the (ahem) 'real story' haven't all been closed down?

Why hasn't the Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering gang silenced all those pesky sites?

Any ideas? Care to hazard a guess, Sherlock?

"..and then they came for the "conspiracy theorists..."

Bwahahaha! What a reality-untroubled dreamer you are, bigfish!

Look out! Hide!!! They're after yooooo-hoooooo!!!!

ill take a guess .....

because nobody will ever believe them ??

 

[Dillinger4]

So are you saying that DrJ, bigfish and the rest of the outlandish conspiracy gang are all CIA operatives?

rofl

i think they are

i also think pbman and mears are too

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So are you saying that DrJ, bigfish and the rest of the outlandish conspiracy gang are all CIA operatives?

I think what I was saying was fairly clear, and that wasn't it.

 

[Dillinger4]

and the truth becomes lies ... or the lies become truth ...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, perhaps I wasn't totally clear. What I meant was that whenever real clandestine nastiness does occur, having a whole lot of people speculating around it and also around things that didn't happen at all, is good camoflage.

I think it's possible, but not necessarily always the case, that this effect is sometimes deliberately used by planting some disinformation designed to be appealing to conspiracy theorists, and containing just enough connections to real stuff to make it almost impossible to tell what's really going on there.

The analogy I'd use is an information channel, our ability to access valid information about any clandestine event, gained through the media and the net etc is limited by the noise in those channels. Having thousands of very creative interpreters, working on a mixture of false and true information and pushing out and exchanging their individual interpretations, fills those channels with noise to the point where one can't tell truth from fantasy.

It's pretty easy to think up tempting conspiracy bait based on a knowledge of the interests of present day conspiracy theorists, so if this was being done deliberately, it doesn't require legions of urbanites employed by the CIA. Just a few well chosen and sufficiently well thought out plants which take advantage of the natural inclinations of conspiracy thinkers and therefore get passed along and mutated as they go and perhaps passing through dozens of mutations before ending up here. However, as I said, I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think it's quite possible that conspiracy theorists can do this all by themselves. It just seems likely to me that once in a while the people actually doing conspiratorial stuff deliberately make use of this strong natural tendency to put stuff out there deliberately.

 

[bigfish]

Well, to be honest, I suspect that conspiracy theorists, especially the really creative ones are an asset to anyone engaged in clandestine nastiness. The more lizard-fanciers there are out there, the more protective camoflage is created for clandestine actions.

My favourite example of this (you've heard it before, but I'll trot it out anyhow) is the US stealth fighter. Developed in total secrecy and flying in squadron strength out of Nellis AFB. Around the same time, a whole bunch of Area 51 stories about deep frozen aliens and captured UFOs appeared. Oddly enough, Area 51 was located in the very same airforce base.

Hence when reports of odd looking aircraft that didn't show up on radar started appearing ...

Yes, I've heard you say that before Bernie and I'm well aware of the area 51 deception, but I think you've misunderstood my comment about them coming next for the "conspiracy theorists". The remark was an ironic reference (hence the quotation marks) to the systematic destruction of all 9/11 debate by the owner of these boards abley assisted by a small coterie of potato juggling flimflam merchants. Myself, fela fan and Dr J have all been pejoritively tagged as "conspiracy theorists" by the all powerful editor who I contend is actually engaged in the defence of an utter and complete fabrication.

Here we have a so called champion of alternative online media who is plainly nothing more than a champion of Big Media as we saw by his recent (subsequently deleted) citing of the "Tethered Hands" report from the NY Times, a paper now completely dicredited as a planter of Bush Gang Lies, in support of his ludicrous argument and by his deeply cynical rubbishing of any and all so called CT sites, a great many of them really only dedicated alternative sites like his own.

The two planks of his absurd hypothesis rest entirely on Big Media reports of "body parts" found at the crime sites apparently matching the DNA of people supposedly on the flights and Big Media Reports of the "phone calls" supposedly made by passengers and crew to loved ones and strangers from the hijacked aircraft. Unfortunately for him, in both reality and in law, neither of these two pieces of "evidence" are capable in and of themselves of standing up to serious theoretical scutiny. The absence of any evidence whatsoever of any of the supposed hijackers in any of the targeted airports on the morning of September 11 demonstrates in and of itself that Arab terrorists could not have boarded any of the aircraft and hijack them as the US authorities insist. Therefore, we are obliged to eliminate Arab terrorists as suspects from the case.

Of our two prime suspects only one now remains and when we check the historical record lo and behold we find that our one remaining suspect has committed an almost identical crime in the past! The only difference between the two criminal acts being that Pearl Harbor involved a real enemy, Japan, who was deliberately provoked into making an attack, while in the case of 9/11 the United States actually attacked itself and those who stand accused of carrying out this terrible deed are in fact being framed.

The whole filthy scam is being used to invoke a racially defined enemy stereotype in the traumatized psyche of the American people in order to 'justify' the barbaric subjugation of the entire Arab world where most of the worlds remaining oils reserves happen to be.

In my view, it's the profound duty of every single progressive person to expose this enormous projected lie for all to see as we've seen this kind of thing before. The parallel is not 1941, Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor as many of the LiHOPers would have it, but 1933/39. When Hitler needed to overcome his most ardent political opponents in the domestic arena and consolidate the Nazis grip on state power he secretly ordered the Reichstag to be torched and then immediately laid blame on the communists, thousands of whom were rounded up by the following evening. At this point basic rights were suspended and did not return until the war was finally over. When Hitler decided it was time to invade Poland back in 1939 he manufactured a "Polish enemy" by dressing German troops in Polish army uniforms and then sent them to attack the German town of Glieswitz, where they captured the radio station and broadcast a call to the Silesian Polish minority to rise up against Hitler.

The present is pregnant with many similar dangers.

 

[kropotkin]

Editor:

Hmm. Stripping away all the distraction of your bigfish insults, I can't see any references to how the following bits of information sit with you.
1/ The references above to Rumsfeld's PPOG program
2/ The political use made by the PP to blame the Madrid bombings on ETA and
3/ The penetration of the terror cell by Spanish intelligence

 

[editor]

Myself, fela fan and Dr J have all been pejoritively tagged as "conspiracy theorists" by the all powerful editor who I contend is actually engaged in the defence of an utter and complete fabrication.

What do you mean by "actually engaged", who am I "defending" and why?

 

[Streathamite]

So are you saying that DrJ, bigfish and the rest of the outlandish conspiracy gang are all CIA operatives?

I'd say more like that all these bonkers conspiracists (and, tbh, the U75 contingent are but the tip of a vast, wildly-imaginative iceberg) are simply a precious gift to people like the CIA etc (or in short those in power), in that they are guaranteed to muddy all waters. I wouldn't put them above putting reams of disinformation into the public domain - in fact many US govt depts have been shown to do this - but shouldn't imagine they spend much time or resources on this. Also, the meejah are excellent at creating a global fog of confusion.

 

[bigfish]

Yet more talk of a coup...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming
by
Michael C. Ruppert

additional reporting by
Wayne Madsen from Washington


JUNE 8, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW) - Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?

The real reasons, contrary to the saturation spin being put out by major news outlets, have nothing to do with Tenet's role as taking the fall for alleged 9/11 and Iraqi intelligence "failures" before the upcoming presidential election.


Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown.


Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated, possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August.


FTW has been documenting this Watergate-like coup for more than fifteen months and almost everything we will discuss about recent events was by us predicted in detail in these pages. Please see our stories "The Perfect Storm - Part I" (March 2003); "Blood in the Water" (July 2003); "Beyond Bush - Part I" (July 2003); "Waxman Ties Evidentiary Noose Around Rice and Cheney" (July 2003); and "Beyond Bush - Part II" (October 2003).


There were two things we didn't get right. One was the timing. We predicted the developments taking place now as likely to happen after the November election, not before. Secondly, we did not foresee the sudden resignations of Tenet and Pavitt. Understanding the resignations is the key to understanding a deteriorating world scene and that America is on the precipice of a presidential and constitutional crisis that will ultimately dwarf the removal of Richard Nixon in 1974.

 

[nala1917]

In my view, it's the profound duty of every single progressive person to expose this enormous projected lie for all to see as we've seen this kind of thing before. The parallel is not 1941, Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor as many of the LiHOPers would have it, but 1933/39.

[...]

The present is pregnant with many similar dangers.

And it's scary as fuck. I actually used to enjoy looking into all this stuff - back when I was genuinely neutral-if-cynical on 911. Now it just gives me this cold churning feeling in the pit of my stomach.

 

[davekriss]

(personally, I'm convinced the editor of this site was "disappeared" and replaced by an MI6 stooge long ago)

bwahahahahaha lol still chuckling! Just perfect.

 

[bigfish]

Some points:

The 'Summer Pulse 04' joint military exercises will deploy almost the entire US fleet at sea. It's a well known maxim of naval warfare that when conflict threatens then the fleet leaves port. Seven aircraft carrier strike groups will be simultaneously deployed this month. There's never been an naval "exercise" deploying that many carrier groups before!

Predictably, the Chinese and Russian fleets are mirroring these movements with exercises of their own.

Putin has announced that he will not be attending this months NATO summit in Turkey.

Turkey has "temporarilly" withdrawn its ambassador to Isreal.


This analyst acknowledges the earlier M3 and PCR data given out by safehaven, but reasons Saudi Arabia is the likely prime candidate for a major terrorist attack.

Gold, Oil and a Major Terrorist Attack

By: Clive Maund.

A major crisis could well be a lot closer than many people believe possible. Saudi Arabia is in a parlous state, in terms of political stability, and the price of oil, which has been steadily rising for a long time, is in position to spike, and I don’t mean by $10. It could go to, say, $80, maybe $100, in the event of a massive terrorist attack in Arabia. Historically, gold and oil have tended to move in tandem, and a crisis of the proportions I am talking about could well result in a spike in gold too, to say $500 - $600, perhaps more.

Quite obviously, Saudi Arabia would be unable to cope with the aftermath of such an attack, and would clearly require assistance from friendly countries such as the UK and US, and would be in such a hapless condition that it would probably appreciate having its vast oil resources managed by the UK – US axis on its behalf. Fortunately, a large contingent of axis troops just happen to be in the area on other business, so the troops, although spread thin, would be spared a long journey with its attendant jet lag. It is also a happy coincidence that a large number of US supply and logistics bases have sprung up all over south central Asia in the time following the collapse of the Soviet Union, many in former Soviet Republics. This will greatly facilitate assisting Saudi Arabia in its hour of need.

 

[fela fan]

I'd say more like that all these bonkers conspiracists (and, tbh, the U75 contingent are but the tip of a vast, wildly-imaginative iceberg) are simply a precious gift to people like the CIA etc

Maybe those millions of ostriches who refuse to rub the sand from their eyes are of even more help to those pulling the strings.

It is through people's silence that those in power get to retain their power and get away with all their criminal actions.

A conspiracy theorist (whatever this actually, denotatively, means) is to be admired more than those who know of tyranny, but remain silent over it.

One may be right or wrong, but action he/she will not refuse. However, those that remain silent, accepting of what is wrong, engage in non-action. Theirs is the weak way.

At least the 'conspiracy theorists' tried, through action, to counter the abuses and crimes perpetrated by those in the USG and their elites.

 

[editor]

A conspiracy theorist (whatever this actually, denotatively, means) is to be admired more than those who know of tyranny, but remain silent over it.

One may be right or wrong, but action he/she will not refuse. However, those that remain silent, accepting of what is wrong, engage in non-action. Theirs is the weak way.

If that's the 'weak way' yours must be positively narcoleptic!

You can't even be arsed to sign up to a conspiracy forum that's already been set up and prepared just for you!

 

[nanoespresso]

you know, if you're looking for a conspiracy, you've chosen a poor candidate. The international money markets are about as liquid and transparent a system that exists, every tiny spec of information is collected, made public, and scrutinized by thousands looking for a way to make a buck on currency fluctuations. If methods existed to foretell the movement of a market by just following past historical trends ( Fibonacci numbers FFS??? ), than they would be quickly adopted and by virtue that you make money by moving in the opposite direction of the market, the potential profit margins will narrow and the effect will ultimately cease.

So what's your conspiracy? That speculators believe the dollar's value will fall and so will american equities? Well, nothing mysterious or devious about that.

 

[editor]

So what's your conspiracy? That speculators believe the dollar's value will fall and so will american equities? Well, nothing mysterious or devious about that.

Aw. You've spoilt it for them now!

 

[A Dashing Blade]

Getting back to the point . . .

I haven't seen anyone talking about M3 since the waning days of PM Thatcher.

About the most pertinant comment so far. Most professional commentators (ie those with a vested/financial interest in this sort of thing rather than a bunch of mickey mouse tip sheet operators) look at M2 on the money suppy side.

Suspect that the "crisis" blah blah levels of US M3 growth quote originally c&p'ed by BigFish may actually be a result of mortgage funding growth and an increase in corporate demand for short-dated funds, due to refinancing requirements (as hinted at by the increase in CD componant).

Oh yes, IMHO Fibonacci and Elliot Wave Analysis (yes I know they're not the same but they are related) are the only two techniques that work 100% of the time . . . .with hindsight.

Oh yes part II . . . BigFish, if you believe allo that twaddle, then suggest you looks at sometthing like the S&P 1100 Dec 04 Puts, currently about 40 offered which equates to an implied volatility of roughly 17.5%

 

[editor]

Oh yes part II . . . BigFish, if you believe allo that twaddle, then suggest you looks at sometthing like the S&P 1100 Dec 04 Puts, currently about 40 offered which equates to an implied volatility of roughly 17.5%

Sadly, I suspect your rational, factual analysis may prove a little too dull for some people seeking exciting conspiracy theories at every turn.

 

[laptop]

Ta.

a result of mortgage funding growth and an increase in corporate demand for short-dated funds, due to refinancing requirements (as hinted at by the increase in CD componant).

Is there any mainstream commentary on a rise?

 

[A Dashing Blade]

Sadly, I suspect your rational, factual analysis may prove a little too dull for some people seeking exciting conspiracy theories at every turn.

Harsh, but fair

Laptop . . . you may find a snippet in the following days Wall Street Journal or FT, but tbh, M3 just isn't regarded as important these days

 

[bigfish]

Bush administration takes steps to cancel US election

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jul2004/elec-j13.shtml

The request by Bush administration officials for a detailed analysis of the legal steps that would be necessary to postpone the 2004 election represents an implicit threat to abrogate the US Constitution, dispense with democratic rights, and establish a dictatorship based on the military and police. This is the desperate action of a deeply discredited and unpopular regime that fears, not merely electoral defeat, but an explosion of social and political unrest in the United States.


The request was made public Sunday by Newsweek magazine, which reported that three federal agencies are already involved: the newly established Election Assistance Commission, which first suggested the possibility, the Department of Homeland Security, which has been issuing repeated but entirely unsubstantiated warnings about election-related terrorist threats, and the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which is now studying the legal and constitutional issues at the request of Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge.


The chairman of the Election Assistance Commission, DeForest Soaries, sent a letter to the Republican and Democratic leaders of both houses of Congress Monday, pointing to the absence of any legal or constitutional provision for postponing a national election. “There does not appear to be a clear process in place to suspend or reschedule voting during an election if there is a major terrorist attack,” he wrote.


The Socialist Equality Party rejects as a bald-faced lie the claim that preparations to delay the election are necessitated by the possibility of a terrorist attack. Just as the terrorist threat was invoked to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, it is being used to legitimize extreme anti-democratic measures that have been part of the Bush administration’s secret agenda since it took office after the successful theft of the 2000 presidential election.


Nothing this administration says about the so-called “terrorist threat” deserves any credibility. The fact that it systematically lied about the supposed security threat posed by Iraq and its so-called “weapons of mass destruction” has been irrefutably established by the report issued last week by the Senate Intelligence Committee. The Bush administration consists of people, from the president and vice president on down, who will say anything to justify their criminal political and military actions.


The Bush administration also consists of desperate and dangerous men who are prepared to do anything to maintain their grip on power. To the extent that there does exist the danger of a terrorist episode prior to the November election, its planners and perpetrators are far more likely to be extreme right-wing provocateurs with connections to the Bush administration and various police and intelligence agencies than members of some secret Al Qaeda cell operating in the United States.

See also: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/election.day.delay/