Movements in Money Supply Indicates Possible Foreknowledge of Catastrophe Ahead

[bigfish]

I actually found the piece linked at the whatreallyhappened site here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_economy.html

The former Senator's warning is reprinted from Usery.Inc. Here's the same piece reprinted this time in The Federal Observer:
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=7849


The World Central Bank: This is obviously a reference to the Bank for International Settlements located in Basel, Switzerland.

I'm still looking for a financial source that notes a rise in US M3. Forbes hasn't bothered to mention it, according to news.google. In fact US M3 produces nothing about money in the US, as do USA M3 and America M3.

So... I'll have to ask whether the dastardly schemers have imposed a news blackout too?

Well, it looks like that might be the case LT. Either that or the M3 and PCR data graphed out by safehaven is made up. I very much doubt it though.

Somethings up. I wouldn't shoot the messenger just yet if I were you.

 

[pbman]

Are you a complety idiot?

Seriously

Of course something is up.

Its no secret.

So quit trying to lay the groundwork for your future 9/11 threads.

Thats beyond silly.

 

[laptop]

Somethings up. I wouldn't shoot the messenger just yet if I were you.

Hmm. But extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof. Your analyst predicts the dollar going through the floor. There are all sorts of reasons for speculating that it may do so - not least the current-account deficit.

But he's claiming to have noticed something the markets haven't noticed.

From http://news.ft.com/markets/spotdollar - prices for future dollars

Jun 4        1month   3months One year 

Euro         1.2231   1.2217   1.2223 

Saudi Arabia 3.7512   3.7527   3.7627

'Course, that's what tipsters do claim. But...

 

[bigfish]

Hmm. But extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof. Your analyst predicts the dollar going through the floor. There are all sorts of reasons for speculating that it may do so - not least the current-account deficit.

But he's claiming to have noticed something the markets haven't noticed.

From http://news.ft.com/markets/spotdollar - prices for future dollars

Jun 4        1month   3months One year 

Euro         1.2231   1.2217   1.2223 

Saudi Arabia 3.7512   3.7527   3.7627

'Course, that's what tipsters do claim. But...

Of course, you're right LT, tipsters are known for sometimes making wild exagerated predictions, so let's hope that's the case with this one too. Nonetheless, if the graphed out safehaven data accurately reflects an extraordinary movement in M3 and a heavy fluctuation in the PCR, then this cannot safely be ignored. As we've already seen, a large increase in the money supply tends to foretell of possible catastrophe. Heavy put option trading points to more precise insider knowledge of what the results of that catastrophe might actually be. Taken together then...?

I'd obviously be a lot less concerned but for the overall political context within which matters are unfolding and where the disaster in Iraq is having a profound affect in the US domestic arena. There, the competing factions within the ruling elite are in almost open conflict with each other as the country descends headlong into a crisis of historic proportions.

As popular support for the War President dissolves in the acid of a harsh reality, for the dominant extremist faction a typically extreme solution will increasingly seem like the only way forward for them. More and more the need grows stronger for the American public to be stampeded back into their clutches. Whether or not the fascistic extremists can pull off another stroke similar to or even worse than the last one, very much depends now on the relative alignment of commanding actors manning all the axes of power, especially within the military-intelligence nexus. Coup or counter-coup? Naked fascism or Bonapartism in the form of a military or quasi-military government? Or is it a diet of crow for me? We should find out soon enough!

 

[editor]

There was a fascinating program on Channel 4 last night by Professor Niall Ferguson called American Colossus which detailed just how precarious America's finanacial situtation currently is.

His well-argued appraisal of US recent history won't please conspiracy fans looking for exciting 9/11 yarns: it was a well presented and highly informative critique of American foreign policy that provided clear insights into Bin Laden's motives.

Anyone see it?

The imperial role, he argues, doesn't come as naturally to Americans as it did to the British a century ago - or indeed to Ancient Rome.

This, Niall Ferguson argues, is an empire with an attention deficit disorder, imposing ever more unrealistic timescales on its overseas interventions.

Worse, it's an empire in denial - a hyper-power that simply refuses to admit the scale of its global responsibilities. The Colossus of our times, he concludes, has feet of clay . . . and may soon topple under its own overfed weight.

 

[elbows]

Yep I saw it, was only half watching so I need to see it again, but I paid attention to the end. Demographic timebomb stuff really, a problem most of the Western nations are suffering from. As the baby boomer generation retire, there arent enough young workers to upport them. I think the UK is in a similar position, and this is at least a big part of the real reason for current immigration policy etc. I expect "new europe" will help keep "old europe" slightly less old in the future, the same way the USA uses Mexicans & friends when it suits.

As for it being bad food for 9/11 and other conspiracy fans, Im not too sure about that. Surely if America suffers from attention deficit, then an event like 9/11 that focusses the mind for more than 5 seconds might be rather necessary to kickstart public support for resource-grabbing wars of empire?

 

[slaar]

There was a fascinating program on Channel 4 last night by Professor Niall Ferguson called American Colossus which detailed just how precarious America's finanacial situtation currently is.

His well-argued appraisal of US recent history won't please conspiracy fans looking for exciting 9/11 yarns: it was a well presented and highly informative critique of American foreign policy that provided clear insights into Bin Laden's motives.

Anyone see it?

I thought it was interesting, definitely thought-provoking. He took a pretty bullish view of the Asian situation in the 1950s and 1960s, effectively backing MacArthur's view that invading China in the 1950s, and pushing home the Vietnam issue following the counter-attack to the Tet offensive would have been highly beneficial; wasn't so sure about that. The more recent stuff I thought was excellent.

 

[fela fan]

Talked to my mate tonight who owns a bar. He was talking for a few hours about three days ago with an american (50sish), and the summary was that something big is about to happen.

The details are unimportant, but i could not help but think about this thread.

 

[the B]

Yep I saw it, was only half watching so I need to see it again, but I paid attention to the end. Demographic timebomb stuff really, a problem most of the Western nations are suffering from. As the baby boomer generation retire, there arent enough young workers to upport them. I think the UK is in a similar position, and this is at least a big part of the real reason for current immigration policy etc.

But is it really a problem...

 

[pbman]

Talked to my mate tonight who owns a bar. He was talking for a few hours about three days ago with an american (50sish), and the summary was that something big is about to happen.

The details are unimportant, but i could not help but think about this thread.

Yes its expected the terroists will try to influence the election, expically after their success in spain.

 

[elbows]

But is it really a problem...

Well its a problem if people wont accept the immigration needed to support the economy, and our politicians dont help by failing to mention the issue very often. Its a problem if the younger generations expect equal or better standards of living than their parents, or at least equal social security system/pensions etc.

Personally I dont have a problem with immigration but I worry about how many people still do.

 

[the B]

You don't need (or want since it just delays) immigration to solve the 'problem'.

 

[sihhi]

There was a fascinating program on Channel 4 last night by Professor Niall Ferguson called American Colossus which detailed just how precarious America's finanacial situtation currently is.

His well-argued appraisal of US recent history won't please conspiracy fans looking for exciting 9/11 yarns: it was a well presented and highly informative critique of American foreign policy that provided clear insights into Bin Laden's motives.

Anyone see it?

I didn't see it but heard him talk on radio 4 once-
supports US arming the Turkish and Colombian state, central american terror gangs, attacking afganistan + iraq

but he said similar things about US budget deficit- it's fucked and tax cuts aren't helping

 

[pbman]

I didn't see it but heard him talk on radio 4 once-
supports US arming the Turkish and Colombian state, central american terror gangs, attacking afganistan + iraq

but he said similar things about US budget deficit- it's fucked and tax cuts aren't helping

Sorry the tax cuts are helping.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - U.S. payrolls grew at the fastest pace in nearly four years in March, the government said Friday, in a report that soared past Wall Street forecasts and could play a pivotal role in Fed policy and the presidential election.

Things are getting much better, and i live here, i know.

 

[Isambard]

Yes its expected the terroists will try to influence the election, expically after their success in spain.

The terrorists didn't "win" the election in Spain. The outgoing conservative government (mates of Bush and Bliar) LOST it when they tried to lie to the Spanish people about the attack for their own political gain.

 

[Poi E]

Wow! A thread about chartists and their funny monetarist viewpoints. "Look closely enough at the charts, boys, and all will be revealed!" "If we scrutinise and exploit the money suppy we'll have it all sown up!" Economists were invented to make weather forecasters look good. Science my arse.

 

[bigfish]

More talk of a counter-coup

Neo-Cons on the Brink

http://www.counterpunch.com/madsen06042004.html

By WAYNE MADSEN

'From the halls of the Pentagon to the State Department, the offices of constitutional lawyers to political insiders, and the analytical shops of the Central Intelligence Agency to the Defense Intelligence Agency, people have had it with the ideologues (neo conservatives, evangelical dominionists, Christian Zionists, reactionary Catholics, expansionistic Israel Firsters, creative destructionists, Moonies, apocalyptic fundamentalists, and plain old fascists and assorted other kooks) who have nested and reproduced within the three branches of our Federal government. The growing restlessness in America now crosses political party lines, age, racial, and ethnic groups, religious affiliations, and income brackets.


Every day brings a new outrage to those of us who realize that the future of America hangs in the balance. John Kerry should be reaping a whirlwind of support from those angered and disgusted at every syllabic-challenged utterance from the current occupant of the White House. But Kerry's support is lukewarm, even among committed Democrats.
...

Between the Yalie death cultists, Christian evangelical end timers, neo-conservative global hegemonists, and those with IQs lower than George W. Bush (91), the rest of us (the good news is that we are still a majority), including a number with one or more stars on their military uniforms, are becoming irritated to the point where something is going to break. Some quotes recently picked up from two and three-star generals and bird colonels: "I took an oath to the Constitution, not Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld;" "If the Pentagon were being overrun by the enemy and I had one bullet left, I'd use it on Stephen Cambone" (the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence); "Too bad they missed Wolfowitz!" (a reference to the October 2003 Iraqi insurgent bombing of the Al Rashid hotel in Baghdad where Wolfowitz was staying). And this from a National Guard Colonel, "The Governors are ready to revolt if any more of their Guardsmen are sent to Iraq."


If Bush, Cheney, and Rove interfere with the election process, either by postponing the November 2 election because of an unspecified "terrorist" threat or other concocted reason, many in the senior levels of the military are prepared to honor their oath to the Constitution and protect our nation from enemies "domestic." That includes presidents and their staff who want to overturn the Constitution process for their own nefarious purposes.


A long time colleague, a well-known constitutional lawyer, told me that he would support the military taking such unprecedented action against an out-of-control executive branch. A seasoned Washington political observer, well known to television audiences, echoed the lawyer's sentiment * he even called for military trials of Bush, Cheney, and their henchmen after their ouster. Yes, the outrage factor is at an all time fever pitch. In my lifetime, I've seen nothing like it. Yet, it is wholly understandable. Every day the Bush regime outrages us and the world, the gulf widens between the reasoned masses and the perception managers and ideologues who surround the pathetic one in the White House.'

 

[pbman]

The terrorists didn't "win" the election in Spain. The outgoing conservative government (mates of Bush and Bliar) LOST it when they tried to lie to the Spanish people about the attack for their own political gain.

The attack was meant to influence the election, it doesn't matter if the gov't also fumbled the ball.

 

[pbman]

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=^IXIC

Nasdaq over 2,000

NAS/NMS COMPSITE (NasdaqSC:^IXIC) Quote data by Reuters

Index Value: 2,020.62
Trade Time: 4:10PM ET

 

[bigfish]

The attack was meant to influence the election, it doesn't matter if the gov't also fumbled the ball.

That's right, the attack was supposed to stampede the Spanish people into the camp of the right, but the people held firm sensing Asna was lying through his teeth, which he was. Now we learn from El Mundo that the group who carried out the atrocity was actually penetrated by the Spanish police with two of the groups members identified as regular police informants!

No surprise there then.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12589-1093109,00.html

 

[pbman]

That's right, the attack was supposed to stampede the Spanish people into the camp of the right, but the people held firm sensing Asna was lying through his teeth, which he was. Now we learn from El Mundo that the group who carried out the atrocity was actually penetrated by the Spanish police with two of the groups members identified as regular police informants!

No surprise there then.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12589-1093109,00.html

Well its alledged not fact.

AN OFFICIAL investigation was launched yesterday into allegations that two suspects held in connection with the Madrid bombings were police informers.

Didn't you read the first paraghraph of your link?

 

[editor]

That's right, the attack was supposed to stampede the Spanish people into the camp of the right....

That's rather a strange assumption.

I would have thought that a population already against the war in Iraq would hardly 'stampede to the right' when they were subjected to sickening carnage as a direct result of their government's involvement with that war.

But I suppose that piece of obvious logic doesn't fit your current theory so feel free to keep spinning your imaginative 'interpretations' of reality...

 

[bigfish]

That's rather a strange assumption.

I would have thought that a population already against the war in Iraq would hardly 'stampede to the right' when they were subjected to sickening carnage as a direct result of their government's involvement with that war.

But I suppose that piece of obvious logic doesn't fit your current theory so feel free to keep spinning your imaginative 'interpretations' of reality...

Amazing stuff! You seem to have airbrushed out of the equation the fact that Azna initially attempted to blame ETA for the Madrid atrocity. Why? Had you forgotton? Did it slip your mind?

The reason for the deception is obvious to anyone remotely familiar with the political consequences of past ETA bombings around Spanish elections—they move the electorate to the right. Azna fucked up, the people were on to him in a flash. He only had to keep the Big Lie afloat for another 24 hours and the PP were home and dry, at which point blame would have been quickly switched on to "Al-Qaeda" and then used to justify a continued presence in Iraq and an assault on the democratic rights of Spanish Muslims, just like PSOE are doing now in fact and just like Blunket too. But the truth, like it does, forced itself through and the PP was toast.

The fact that a deliberate attempt was made by the ruling Popular Party to falsly accuse ETA reflects a cynical attempt by them to utilze the carnage by covering it with lies thinking this would improve their prospects at the ballot box.

As I've pointed out to you before editor, it's easy to get the answer you want by filtering out elements of the actual reality. Here to make your case you neglect to include the ETA element. We get a similar performance from you with regard to the attack on the Pentagon where you filter out all the eyewitness accounts of 3 aircraft vectoring the building and promote only certain references to a single Boeing 757 so you can get the answer you want.

What were you saying about obvious logic?

 

[editor]

The fact that a deliberate attempt was made by the ruling Popular Party to falsly accuse ETA reflects a cynical attempt by them to utilze the carnage by covering it with lies thinking this would improve their prospects at the ballot box.

That must be the best thing about being a conspiracy fan - no matter what the facts, you can always call up your overworked imagination to dream up some evil conspiratorial hand at work, no matter how bonkers the conclusion!

Here's the hard facts: the Madrid bombings directly led to the downfall of the pro-Iraq war government.

So it if was all part of yet another Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering Evil Conspiracy (TM), why do you think that the Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering Spanish government did such a crap job of it?

I mean, if they were prepated to go to such evil, ghastly lengths and start mass-murdering their citizens, you would have thought that they would have fabricated a cast iron story and planted damning evidence all over the shop beforehand, wouldn't you?

Wouldn't you?

And how come the current government hasn't managed to unearth this evil plot?

 

[elbows]

There is an explanation much simpler than accusing editor of airbrushing history.

When you said "the attack was supposed to" I imagine he assumed you were talking about the people who actually did the bombing, what the bombing was supposed to achieve from their point of view, from Al Q's point of view, not what Aznar tried to do with the bombing.

edit - oops editor replied whilst I was writing this post, so now I can disagree with him too lol.

Come on its too easy to just rubbish conspiracy theories by labelling them conspiracy theories and laughing at them.

Secondly Aznars government clearly did try to pin the blame on ETA for their own political ends.

We are told that the Spanish people voted them out because of this deception.

This in itself could be a deception, it could be that Aznar was going to lose because of the IRaq war anyway, and that at least it could be made to look like he lost due to lying about ETA, or because people wanted to appease terrorists, rather than the idea that they might have voted against him for supportung the Iraq war either eithout ETA lies or any bombing.

 

[vimto]

But Aznar and co did blame ETA for the attrocity in Madrid even when there was overwhelming evidence that ETA had bugger all to do with it. They kept the ETA facade involvement right up until the day before the general election.

Now why would they do that?

 

[elbows]

Hmmm my last post wasnt very lucid. Im not actually supporting the theory that Spain was behind the bombings, I was trying to make some point about how I hate the cheap slurr of conspiracy theory being used to discourage institutional analysis, and that ALL of the possible explanations for the Spanish bombing include making assumptions about how people were going to vote before the bombing happened.

At what level does something become a conspiracy anyway? Does blaming the bombing on ETA without any evidence count as a conspiracy?

What kinds of conspiracies is a sane human allowed to rationally believe that other humans are capable of performing? Humans clearly do conspire on a daily basis, at what point do we draw the line, at what point does the word "theory" have to be tacked together with the word conspiracy?

For what its worth I never draw any firm conclusions about any attacks because I have no access to first hand information and I didnt think we were supposed to believe in secondary evidence on its own.

 

[nala1917]

We are told that the Spanish people voted them out because of this deception.

Spot on, I think. Long before the 'Night of the Text Messages', we were getting calls and e-mails from Spanish colleagues who were in shock at the way Aznar was trying to manipulate the situation.

It's hard to extrapolate the thoughts of a few friends to those of a whole country, but the disgust at Aznar's reaction came from a lot of different people, and started very very quickly after the initial shock of the bombs themselves. I guess the 'Night of the Text Messages' (massive spontaneous illegal-within-3-days-of-an-election protest) would tend to confirm that it was a pretty widespread feeling. Tough to know if they'd have lost anyway because of antiwar sentiment, but it was the cynicism that really lost it for them.





Edited to add ...
Did anyone else find it slightly odd that days after PSOE won the election and announced that it would be withdrawing Spanish troops immediately, some Spaniards got kidnapped and the kidnappers demanded that ... Spain withdraw it's troops, erm, immediately. Making it harder, of course, for Spain to withdraw its troops without appearing to capitulate to terrorists.

Clumsy, I thought, very clumsy.

Then, I noticed that there were 3 Italian hostages taken in time for Bush's visit to Italy last week, causing some protesters to stay at home according to the BBC. Weird, I thought to myself, wasn't Bush in London the day the British Embassy was bombed in Istanbul ...

Not that I'm paranoid or anything, like ...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

There was an article in Counterpunch ages ago about Rumfeld's plan to set up a kind of 'terrorism on demand' organisation designed to

carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups

source

 

[bigfish]

But Aznar and co did blame ETA for the attrocity in Madrid even when there was overwhelming evidence that ETA had bugger all to do with it. They kept the ETA facade involvement right up until the day before the general election.

Now why would they do that?

In the hope it would move the Spanish people to the right and behind the reactionary policies of the government of course vim, but unfortunately for them and thankfully for us the people weren't swallowing any of Azna's filthy lies. They've heard it all before you see. The lingering stench of Franco's fascism pervades their nostrils still.

Did anyone else find it slightly odd that days after PSOE won the election and announced that it would be withdrawing Spanish troops immediately, some Spaniards got kidnapped and the kidnappers demanded that ... Spain withdraw it's troops, erm, immediately. Making it harder, of course, for Spain to withdraw its troops without appearing to capitulate to terrorists.

Clumsy, I thought, very clumsy.

Then, I noticed that there were 3 Italian hostages taken in time for Bush's visit to Italy last week, causing some protesters to stay at home according to the BBC. Weird, I thought to myself, wasn't Bush in London the day the British Embassy was bombed in Istanbul ...

Not that I'm paranoid or anything, like ...

That non-paranoia of yours is very contagious Nala, because I noticed that too!

You don't suppose it's got anything to do with Rumsfeld's "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)" do you? After all, as Bernie astutely points out, this group was specifically formed to 'carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.'

In other words, penetrating them and playing them for complete patsies to further US-uk-sp geo-political ambitions. Now we learn the group responsible for the Madrid atrocity were penetrated by the Spanish state... isn't it incredible!

That must be the best thing about being a conspiracy fan - no matter what the facts, you can always call up your overworked imagination to dream up some evil conspiratorial hand at work, no matter how bonkers the conclusion!

Your obviously describing your own behaviour editor. Ever true to form though you attempt to accuse me of you own crime. As I've already shown, you're the one who is playing fast and loose with the facts here, not me. That's how you always manage to arrive at a "bonkers conclusion", just like your famous "their was only one plane at the Pentagon" howler.

Here's the hard facts: the Madrid bombings directly led to the downfall of the pro-Iraq war government.

I'm afraid those facts aren't quite hard enough. The Madrid bombings led "directly" to ETA's door in the first instance, led there by the lies of the Popular Party. It was the refusal of the Spanish people en masse to buy any of Azna's horseshit which then led to the downfall of his War Party. So, as we can see, things aren't quite as simple as you would have us believe. And that's because you've neglected to include any mention of the part played by the element of deception involving ETA.

So it if was all part of yet another Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering Evil Conspiracy (TM),

Wrong company I'm afraid. The Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG) (TM) is the name you're looking for. CEO DH von Rumsfeld

...why do you think that the Evil Mass Citizen-Slaughtering Spanish government did such a crap job of it?

It not so much that the PP did a bad job of deceiving the Spanish people by telling enormous porkies, after all, that's what governments are there to do. It's more like the Spanish people did a fantastic job of seeing clean through the deception and then not letting it pass.

And how come the current government hasn't managed to unearth this evil plot?

Why, because they'll be doing their damnedest not to look that's why. The PSOE are much closer to the ruling elite and the PP than they ever were to the Spanish people, isn't it obvious? In fact both parties are cut from the same thin cloth, just like the two main parties here. That's why as soon as the PSOE took power they immediately set about utilizing the Madrid atrocities, not for the purpose of exposing the grievous crimes of the Popular Party, but for the purpose of introducing new draconian legislation into the Cortez aimed initially at curbing the civil liberties of the Muslim population in Spain, just as uber gruppen fuhrer von Plunket is doing here in fact.

First they came for the Muslims... Then they came for the "conspiracy theorists".