Mouthing off incidents on the tube

[Giles]

So it would be fine for him to stab you then?
You can't raise the game and not expect to have it raised on you.
This is not a jungle and there are rules, you muppet.

WHat I am saying is that once someone attacks you physically, you can defend yourself however you are able. It's not boxing, or wrestling. Someone else, who may be better at fighting than you are, is trying to hurt you. Your absolute priority is to stop them. That's all.

I would only consider the rules afterwards.

Giles..

 

[rubbershoes]

This is not a jungle and there are rules, you muppet.

well said that simian

The best rule is almost always to run like hell

 

[Giles]

He can't help his mindset...he's a property developer called Giles...it's wrong to mock the afflicted.

What is that supposed to mean? What has my job or my name got to do with my response to a mugger, nutter etc?

What would you do? Fight "fair"?

Giles..

 

[jæd]

WHat I am saying is that once someone attacks you physically, you can defend yourself however you are able. It's not boxing, or wrestling. Someone else, who may be better at fighting than you are, is trying to hurt you. Your absolute priority is to stop them. That's all.

I would only consider the rules afterwards.

What... When you are in gaol and *you* are the one being charged...?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me) and was able to get away...mostly though I have stopped fights including a recent incident between a man with a blade and a man with a belt, and was calm enough to do the first aid till the ambulance arrived...it's about confidence and brains and body language.

edited to add...the last incident was on public transport, the first wasn't.

 

[Oxpecker]

If you're really Underground staff, or any train company for that matter, then you might want to remind yourself next time you get in an argument with a passenger who doesn't want to take bagfuls of equipment through those shitty snappy gates (I broke one of them once too, it's still fucked - another story) that the customer is always right.

How the fuck any of this would actually lead to an increase in staff assaults I don't know... less jobsworthyness and more common sense in dealing with a frustrated public might even reduce assaults.

You crack me up sometimes, the customer is always right, indeed

I don't know if you've ever worked in a service industry, but if you have you'd know that while a huge majority of "customers" are thoroughly decent human beings there are a number of others who make unreasonable demands on hard working members of staff and then take umbrage when we don't dance to their tune. If you constantly find your life blighted by "jobsworths", you should consider that perhaps it is your behaviour and demeanour which is eliciting a negative response.

In other words, lighten up, you arrogant cunt

 

[PacificOcean]

I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me) and was able to get away...mostly though I have stopped fights including a recent incident between a man with a blade and a man with a belt, and was calm enough to do the first aid till the ambulance arrived...it's about confidence and brains and body language.

edited to add...the last incident was on public transport, the first wasn't.

Blimey, I wouldn't like to meet you on a dark night.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I never ever carry a weapon...it's a very stupid thing to do, for a start it can end up being used against you, quite apart from being illegal...After the throttling attempt I did do basic self-defence because I kept thinking "What if he hadn't had a beard?"
I do have the advantage of having worked with very disturbed and violent teenagers so I'm good at calming situations down and at reading body language...I don't wade in willy-nilly.

 

[jæd]

I never ever carry a weapon...it's a very stupid thing to do, for a start it can end up being used against you, quite apart from being illegal...After the throttling attempt I did do basic self-defence because I kept thinking "What if he hadn't had a beard?"

Carry one with you...? Become friends with a bearded man...? Perhaps start hormone treatment and grow one yourself...!

 

[George & Bill]

It's not "cowardly".

We're not talking about some sort of sport here.

If someone started on me, whether out of a motive of robbery, drunkenness or whatever, then I'm not going to play by some set of rules. This is the jungle, and there are no rules.

Giles..

that's true, you could carry an AK47 in your bag if you really wanted to, but it wouldn't be very wise, nor would you get away with it.

 

[pk]

pk - you say you're interested in safety. What about the safety of those, such as myself, who may have to walk part of the way home late at night because the ticket machines are out of order and I can't get through the barriers?

Serious question, I'm not being deliberately argumentative, but it seems that while citing interest in passenger safety, people who do this sort of thing are actually putting people at risk when they may have to walk alone at night through parts of London they don't know looking for another tube station.

Genuinely confused.

If the ticket machines are not working then all barriers should be open - they should never ever have unmanned barriers at any station.

If they do - then they're putting profits before safety... again.

 

[Loki]

I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me)

You ripped his beard off!? once more! * mental note: Do NOT ever mess with Mrs M. *

 

[Mrs Magpie]

What is really alarming is at the behest of my daughter I've just googled his name and he was giving a lecture at The Big Green Gathering

 

[George & Bill]

I also cannot comprehend how hard you would have to pull for the beard to actually be ripped off

 

[toggle]

You ripped his beard off!? once more! * mental note: Do NOT ever mess with Mrs M. *

i wouldn't mess with her.

she's got buckets full of self confidence, the sort of stuff that some people need 10 years of martial arts lessons to get.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I also cannot comprehend how hard you would have to pull for the beard to actually be ripped off

It's amazing the strength you can muster when unable to breath with thumbs pressed hard into your windpipe....it was a wispy hippy beard, not a trimmed shipshape naval one....his chin bled and he let go and I legged it.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

she's got buckets full of self confidence, the sort of stuff that some people need 10 years of martial arts lessons to get.

No, I only had one lesson, from a really scary feminist. Actually I spend a lot of time crippled by self-doubt...it's all a front really...I used to be quite a mouse. Age and experience helps. And a stiff drink before something worrying. Not interviews though...I save the stiff drink for afterwards.

 

[toggle]

No, I only had one lesson, from a really scary feminist. Actually I spend a lot of time crippled by self-doubt...it's all a front really...I used to be quite a mouse. Age and experience helps. And a stiff drink before something worrying. Not interviews though...I save the stiff drink for afterwards.

well, whatever you had works.

you have the self confidence that will tell most people to bog off without getting into a fight. from the way i've been taught, that is most of the battle won.

 

[stroober]

RIGHT!!!!!!!!

Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!

Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass

She then looked meek and mumbled an appology

*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa*

 

[onenameshelley]

RIGHT!!!!!!!!

Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!

Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass

She then looked meek and mumbled an appology

*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa*

Did you make her cry....

 

[stroober]

me??!?! no i am nae that nasty

no she just got oot me way in a sheepish have been corrected type way

dinnae worry am much calmer now

 

[onenameshelley]

me??!?! no i am nae that nasty

no she just got oot me way in a sheepish have been corrected type way

dinnae worry am much calmer now

I probably would have kicked you in the ankles and legged it.... but thats just me

 

[stroober]

I probably would have kicked you in the ankles and legged it.... but thats just me

severe!!!!!! i could have but not really wanting a record for criminal assault (and besides putney bridge ain't the best tube to scarper from in non getting nabbed try of way

 

[onenameshelley]

severe!!!!!! i could have but not really wanting a record for criminal assault (and besides putney bridge ain't the best tube to scarper from in non getting nabbed try of way

Edited because i was being grouchy

 

[Andy the Don]

RIGHT!!!!!!!!

Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!

Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass

She then looked meek and mumbled an appology

*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa*

Being tall I find that on rainy days I have to watch for short persons with umbrellas in case they take my eye out. Had a go at someone outside Camden tube this morning as I was exiting the station they entered with their umbrella up & nearly blinded me. Then did not even apologise.

 

[stroober]

Edited because i was being grouchy

oic *mental note wear shin pads at all times on rainy days*

 

[Isambard]

My ex will force other peoples umbrellas out of his face with some force if they are about to poke him in the eye. I usually think he's a selfish bastard but he's right in the case even if i find it, im my British way, "causing a fuss".

 

[onenameshelley]

oic *mental note wear shin pads at all times on rainy days*

Nah i was just being grouchy from lack of sleep sorry dude , i wouldnt kick you in the ankles on a rainy day honest guv *does the funny finger pledge thing*

 

[toggle]

Being tall I find that on rainy days I have to watch for short persons with umbrellas in case they take my eye out. Had a go at someone outside Camden tube this morning as I was exiting the station they entered with their umbrella up & nearly blinded me. Then did not even apologise.

i've broken more than one umbrella that was about to blind me. bloody selfish idiots with umbrellas that they aim at my eyes are one of my least favourite things in the world

 

[stroober]

Nah i was just being grouchy from lack of sleep sorry dude , i wouldnt kick you in the ankles on a rainy day honest guv *does the funny finger pledge thing*

new to work on a rainy day suit, 'stick an umbrella spoke in my eye would you mu ha mu ha ha ha ha ha'