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Motorcyclist killed on Dulwich road?

And i do too, and I'm also aware that people speed along that road... but (christ I'm going to say the word) shouldn't there be some consultation into what goes on rather than just leaping in with a speed camera... nice flashing lights going off all night (which i used to get from the photography studio), plus extra noise etc.
 
snowy_again said:
And i do too, and I'm also aware that people speed along that road... but (christ I'm going to say the word) shouldn't there be some consultation into what goes on rather than just leaping in with a speed camera... nice flashing lights going off all night (which i used to get from the photography studio), plus extra noise etc.
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Fair point on consultation. Which is why the text reads:

This petition aims to get speed cameras (and / or other appropriate traffic calming measures) on the worst parts of these roads before more people are injured, or killed.
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So I'm not fundamentalist on speed cameras - just think they look like the best option. It's the problem I'm worried about - any sensible solution is good for me. :);)
 
Fair enough, tbh I get suspicious when anything is done with a political connection.

Strangely I've seen more accidents in the last month caused by those pavement extensions - cyclists getting boxed in by cars / or not looking at the road and getting thrown over their handlebars. Yet to see a petition about it though.
 
snowy_again said:
Strangely I've seen more accidents in the last month caused by those pavement extensions - cyclists getting boxed in by cars / or not looking at the road and getting thrown over their handlebars. Yet to see a petition about it though.
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They are unbelievably dangerous... i lived opposite one and it was a regular nightly thing for cars to catch the edge of the pavement where it sticks out, resulting in either a tyre blowing out, or the car careering across the road, or collision with the bus stop sign pole/opposite kerb/nearby car etc etc etc. There were at least 3 people run over or hit by traffic while i lived there, and cyclists as you say would often be catapulted over the handlebars on contact. I did point this out to various highways types/council types etc but it seemed they cared very little indeed. :rolleyes:
 
nick h. said:
Speaking as a motoryclist myself I'd say you're about right; that's if you equate breaking the speed limit with going too fast.

One reason we get angry when challenged is that if we have an accident we are almost always the only ones hurt, and we have to pay a lot more attention than a typical car driver or pedestrian if we want to stay out of A&E.
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I can't beleiev that if a motorcyclist hit me at 30 plus mph, I would escape unscathed.

I've had a few close calls while on my bike. Motorcyclists often go far too fast for the road conditions, through narrow gaps, and pass very close to cyclists and at high speed.

I feel that as a cyclist of 30 odd years that I should receive some respect as a skilled road user too.

I've also become very used to the aggressive comments from motorcyclists who think the bus lanes and the ASLs are for them.
 
dream_girl said:
I can't beleiev that if a motorcyclist hit me at 30 plus mph, I would escape unscathed.

I've had a few close calls while on my bike. Motorcyclists often go far too fast for the road conditions, through narrow gaps, and pass very close to cyclists and at high speed.

I feel that as a cyclist of 30 odd years that I should receive some respect as a skilled road user too.

I've also become very used to the aggressive comments from motorcyclists who think the bus lanes and the ASLs are for them.
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If you were hit at 30 you'd be killed or seriously injured. Fortunately it never seems to happen. Bikes in town always manage to stay on target. As a cyclist/ped/car driver myself I know how scary it is when they whizz past with inches to spare. But they hardly ever hit anything unless a car pulls a SMIDSY on them. So it's best just to trust them to get on with it. The only sub-group which can't be trusted is the teenage show-offs on scooters who like to pull stunts and ride absolutely everywhere at full throttle. But they're east to spot. And I like to think their riding is somewhat self-limiting.

As for the ones who cut you up or are otherwise rude in ASLs or bus lanes, show no mercy - that's unforgiveable. IME the sub-group to blame for this is typically the self-centred newbie commuter who thinks he's riding sensibly but is somewhat overwhelmed by the experience, never looks in his mirrors and is always getting in everyone's way. A lot of them have a near miss and go back to public transport in fear after just one season of commuting. But of course they are always replaced by the new season's intake of fresh meat.

Any biker with experience and half a brain realises that everyone on a two wheeler is equally vulnerable and we should be spreading a bit of cameraderie. The people without engines should always be given priority and plenty of wobble-margin. If I come across one trying to negotiate a death-defying lane change (e.g. the elephant and castle roundabout) I try to protect them from cars.
 
detective-boy said:
My personal experience is that people who feel able to post prejudiced shite like this are dickheads.
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Take it somewhere else please DB/Blagsta. I'm really bored of it. This is a place where people who live in Brixton, or who are concerned about it as a place, discuss things.
Post reported - it's disrespectful to the rest of us to brawl here.
 
hendo said:
Take it somewhere else please DB/Blagsta. I'm really bored of it. This is a place where people who live in Brixton, or who are concerned about it as a place, discuss things.
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I agree. Please put each other on ignore. Thanks.
 
Please, please, PLEASE stop the bickering. You're never going to agree with each other so you may as well put each other on ignore and let people debate the topic

Oh, and I'm not taking sides here: I've just got a thumping hangover and want the reported posts to stop!
 
Hang on, I actually liveon the road being discussed. I know the problems, what does db know about it?
 
I live on Dalberg Road, which continues off the bottom of Dulwich Road - if you ignore the one way system. We get frequent full throttle fly-bys of two or three kids on scooters. They do laps of the narrow residential streets here at what seems like 50 mph, with very noisy exhausts. Does anybody know which estate they live on? I'm sorely tempted to string some fishing line between the lamp posts to get their attention. I've tried other remedies, i.e. calling the police (who wouldn't come) and standing on the street corner taking photos of them.
 
hendo said:
This is a place where people who live in Brixton, or who are concerned about it as a place, discuss things.
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I replied to this post (by hendo, not Blagsta) earlier, but the post was removed.

It explained (a) that I am concerned about Brixton as a place - it is why I came here in the first place; (b) my initial post on this thread challenged an assumption based on anti-motorcylist prejudice and (c) that I would continue to challenge any such prejudice in future.

I have no time for those who speed in residential streets and in conditions where it creates danger to others. But my point is that it has been ASSUMED that the motorcyclist in this case WAS speeding because OTHER motorcyclists (and drivers) often speed. That is stereotyping and prejudice.
 
nick h. said:
We get frequent full throttle fly-bys of two or three kids on scooters.
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It's not only a local problem ... :(

Three went racing past me last week, in and out of traffic, one up on to the pavement for 50yds, one causing a bus to brake violently. Caught up with them at the next lights and read them their fortune. Surprisingly they seemed pretty chastened ... maybe the fact I was on the R1 at the time cut through their consciousness ...

Unfortunately cameras will not stop this sort of recklessness (many are not properly registered / are stolen). Only police patrols will stand any chance of doing that.
 
nick h. said:
I'm sorely tempted to string some fishing line between the lamp posts to get their attention.
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At which point I'd call the police on you too, as you're likely to kill me as I cycle through them. Thanks for that.

Speed bumps on Dulwich won't get rid of those kids (I know the ones you mean), as its probable that the bikes aren't theirs, or they don't care about their condition. A speed bump is just a little ramp to take off from isn't it? Certainly was in my youth. A speed camera photographing a bike that's not registered / nicked is a chocolate teapot.

My experience is that most motorbike riders are considerate, its just that with the onset of spring there's a few more of them out there learning. Just avoid the ones with the indicator permanently flashing riding the bright shiny new scooter.
 
detective-boy said:
I replied to this post (by hendo, not Blagsta) earlier, but the post was removed.

It explained (a) that I am concerned about Brixton as a place - it is why I came here in the first place; (b) my initial post on this thread challenged an assumption based on anti-motorcylist prejudice and (c) that I would continue to challenge any such prejudice in future.

I have no time for those who speed in residential streets and in conditions where it creates danger to others. But my point is that it has been ASSUMED that the motorcyclist in this case WAS speeding because OTHER motorcyclists (and drivers) often speed. That is stereotyping and prejudice.
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No one assumed anything db. You're being paranoid. Again. Bob said he was going to get a petition up for speed cameras in response to Ms T saying people speed down Dulwich Rd (which they do, as you would know if you were familiar with the area). You then went off on a paranoid rant. No one thus far had said anything remotely prejudicial about motorcyclists.
 
Blagsta said:
No one thus far had said anything remotely prejudicial about motorcyclists.
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Wrong and DB isnt the only person whose been pissed off by the bollocks posted on here.

Anyway not going to get wound up any further as its a beautiful day and Ive just picked up my new bike:cool:
 
Well post 1, there was an implication that traffic calming would have prevented the accident. Prejudging the outcome of the police investigation.

Shiny bike beckons now:D
 
Gixxer1000 said:
Well post 1, there was an implication that traffic calming would have prevented the accident. Prejudging the outcome of the police investigation.
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There was. Which was why in post 5 I asked for the basis ... and the prejudice and evidence of assumption came in post 6:

Well there is a serious general problem on both Dulwich & Railton road of people speeding like loons on the straight bits.

Plus the position of the motorbike under the van indicated that the motorbike was going straight, and the van had turned into it. So probably the motorbike going too fast combined with the van driver not paying enough attention I'd guess.
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