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Morrissey quizzed by FBI and British Intelligence

rogue yam said:
Grow up, kidd!
fuck me you are an utter disgrace; so NOBODY living in say, Apartheid South Africa, germany in the 30s/40s, or soviet russia should opt for conscience over adherence to immoral laws? You'd havwe felt perfectly ast home in an SS unifrorm.
<yammie clicks heels>
"I Vuz only obeying orders"
 
The point is Fong, that you *could* argue his corner, but he can't. Arguing with you is interesting and worthwhile. I'd be happy to do some more of it.

Every time I've challenged yam to produce facts or logic to support his case, he's failed to do so and resorted to abuse. So I think he's a waste of space.
 
Fong said:
You lot dismiss Yam for too easily.

I look at it like this.

Could I argue his corner?

Yep I could. I don't agree with it, but then I was taught as a kid to be able to debate any side of an argument.

I could jump into this debate on Yam's side and could hold a fairly decent argument with the rest of you, his views are not THAT far out. Aside from the national pride American's seem to express, other then that, I not really seen any posts of Yam's where i couldn't understand the point of view.

I argue with him when he has a substantive point to make.

Unfortunately, given that most of his posts begin and end with references to the mental state of his correspondent, he seldom does have a substantive point to make.
 
Fong said:
You lot dismiss Yam for too easily.

I look at it like this.

Could I argue his corner?

Yep I could. I don't agree with it, but then I was taught as a kid to be able to debate any side of an argument.

I could jump into this debate on Yam's side and could hold a fairly decent argument with the rest of you, his views are not THAT far out. Aside from the national pride American's seem to express, other then that, I not really seen any posts of Yam's where i couldn't understand the point of view.
What on earth are you rambling on about Fong?
 
Fong said:
You lot dismiss Yam for too easily.

I look at it like this.

Could I argue his corner?

Yep I could. I don't agree with it, but then I was taught as a kid to be able to debate any side of an argument.

I could jump into this debate on Yam's side and could hold a fairly decent argument with the rest of you, his views are not THAT far out. Aside from the national pride American's seem to express, other then that, I not really seen any posts of Yam's where i couldn't understand the point of view.
Just to quote you again (everyone else has)

Yes you could debate his argument, but I take issue with what 'American pride' means.
You have the Americans that are proud of their country no matter what it does, or what effect it has on the rest of the world because thats what they've been taught and anything else is not patriotic.
Or the Americans that stand for the things that America is great for in eyes of the global community.
One of these views is self serving to the let's say better off, the other is a view which most people can accept.
I don't think that Morrissey or anyone else hates America as a whole, rather they are concerned/scared about whose at the steering wheel, to what ends do they want to take their country and what damage are they gonna cause along the way!
 
I am a person that has found myself in dreams gazing into the eyes of Bush or Blair and while dreaming I wish for their demise, it is something I cannot explain, their eyes... especially Bush's close knit eyes make me think of pretzels. I dream that Bush is choking on a pretzel and in my dream I see him falling to the floor and then I think of Blair, smearing himself in fruit with his wife Cherie in some new age ritual, while in the shower. I imagine he slips on the wet fruit, he falls and he cracks his head. Cherie calls 999 and finds herself speaking to an automated answering service. After pressing 1, 9, 3, 4, 2, 1 and then redialling and pressing all the previously mentioned numbers 4 times an operator in India picks up the call and tries to sell her T mobiles latest deal. Blair is dead in the shower by this time. Cherie hangs up. I wake up.

I think "Thank God I was only dreaming this, because if I wasn't I could be picked up and questioned for expressing something that is really only a wish, but could be construed to be an intent to kill, its only because they are premiers, I think... that's it! They are mad with power". Then I find I was only dreaming that, I was always asleep and I have never stopped dreaming. Here is my teddy, I am in my pyjamas, a clock ticks silently in the darkness and it was all just a silly dream. Of course, I believe in laws.

Of course I believe that the law is whatever they say it is. Pinches self hard.
 
hundredthmonkey said:
Of course I believe that the law is whatever they say it is. Pinches self hard.

There's only a few laws anyone needs to know.

1) Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

2) Love is the law, love under will.

3) There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
 
ViolentPanda said:
There's only a few laws anyone needs to know.

1) Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

2) Love is the law, love under will.

3) There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

You forgot:

4) Everyone is a star
 
Fong said:
You lot dismiss Yam for too easily.

I look at it like this.

Could I argue his corner?

Yep I could. I don't agree with it, but then I was taught as a kid to be able to debate any side of an argument.

I could jump into this debate on Yam's side and could hold a fairly decent argument with the rest of you, his views are not THAT far out. Aside from the national pride American's seem to express, other then that, I not really seen any posts of Yam's where i couldn't understand the point of view.

And you wonder why I don't take you seriously. :rolleyes:
 
rich! said:
You forgot:

4) Everyone is a star

Only if you're a "new-ager" (bleurgh :( ).

If you've read uncle Al (who is only responsible for the 2nd quote, Peter J. Carroll for the 1st, and Robert A. Heinlein for the 3rd) you'll know that the correct form is:

"Every man is a star"

:p :p
 
The FBI were wasting their time with Morrissey but I think it's a good idea to investigate people who publically threaten the life of the President.

America is a place full of guns, and the authorities remember Oswald, Hinkley and a pile of other deranged individuals dating back to Lincoln, and so go the extra mile - in order that if something does happen, they can't be tarred with the complacency brush.

That's fair enough. Could be a Democrat next time, after all.
 
kage said:
I think he announced at a gig the death of Reagan to the crowd then added something along the lines of "Pity it wasn't Bush".

That'd be enough to get some bullshit interrogation.

The cast of a play about Guantanamo were recently held at an airport and quizzed about their political beliefs. This can mean one of two things:

1. The police are trying to intimidate
2. Like the prince in Blackadder the third, the police are so stupid they are not sure whether plays are real or not.
 
Anybody who thinks the security services are stupid for arresting Morrissey are, I feel, mistaken.

Propaganda is their tool against their real enemies, us.

Propaganda in Film, music etc is unrelenting and intense. It never stops. Every minute of everyday I turn on the tele I see neo-liberal propaganda being rammed down my throat.
 
rogue yam said:
If he did it in America, it certainly would be. It is a violation of U.S. Federal Law to threaten the President, or to incite others to commit violence against the President. Hunter S. Thompson once got hauled in for a chat for writing in a column for the San Francisco Examiner that then-Vice President George H. W. Bush "should be stomped like a rat". HST, of course, continued to say pointedly critical things about American politicians, but he did drop the exhortations to violence. I think it's a perfectly good law, but that matters little. The fact is, it's the law.
How does wishing somebody was dead consist a threat or an incitement to violence? And your refusal to accept the possibility that the law might possibly be wrong is telling, if rather touching in its naivite.
 
morrisey.jpg

I think he should be locked in a cage in Guantanamo with a lonely goatherd.
 
This Thread has made me listen to the Smiths(conciously!!) for the first time since the Pope visited York....... :mad: ,,,that's over half my life time ago ffs!!!!! :D
 
hendo said:
The FBI were wasting their time with Morrissey but I think it's a good idea to investigate people who publically threaten the life of the President.


Are you mad?????

Can you imagine the poor arresting officer...for evermore it will be scorched onto his concience that there might have been a sucessful assasination of Bush and he was responsible for foiling it. ;)
 
you can imagine the interrogation, can't you?
CIA goon; OK Buddy, tell us when you planned to kill our President;
mozz; How soon Is Now?
CIA: who else is involved?
Mozz; Vicar in a tutu, the boy with the thorn in his side, Handsome devil...
CIA: If you tell us who planned it with us, we may cut you a plea-bargain
Mozz; what difference does it make?
etc etc
OK I'll stop now.
<gets coat>
 
bluestreak said:
of course matt, don't be ridiculous. laws are the voice of the people and designed to protect us all. silly boy. grow a brain moran ;)

Grow a brain moran? of the "do a jig for bush" fame? :D
 
nino_savatte said:
Moran is an Irish surname. I believe the word you are looking for is "moron"

Sorry mate, it's also the spelling of "moron" used by some Bush-supporting fuck-knuckle who drew up a little counter-antiwar protest placard with the legend "Grow a brain, Moran" on it. :)
 
ViolentPanda said:
Sorry mate, it's also the spelling of "moron" used by some Bush-supporting fuck-knuckle who drew up a little counter-antiwar protest placard with the legend "Grow a brain, Moran" on it. :)

Well, trust them not to understand the language that is meant to be their mother tongue (I'm sure they'd say "father" tongue if they thought they could get away with it). :)
 
exleper said:
I'm inclined to think this too, which if true would make Morrissey an even more enormous cunt than he already is.
And what if it turns out he was...how would your attitude change then?
 
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