more signs of a forthcoming police state?

[TAE]

If we did get our own charter of rights the HRA would be redundent as the UK charter would do its job in a more comprehensive way.

It would not be redundant.

If the EHRA demands that government adhere to certain standards and our laws went above and beyond those standards then all would be in agreement.

 

[Azrael]

If our own laws matched and exceeded those standards, there'd be no need to have two pieces of law for the same purpose treading on each other's toes.

I'd also remove some of the more nebulous protections in the human rights act, such as the privacy and right to expression one's used to give rights to convicted felons.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

So, which article of the Act do you most oppose Greebozz?

But that's the problem you can't oppose one article without opposing the lot. The document stands on it's entirety to work...

 

[Lock&Light]

But that's the problem you can't oppose one article without opposing the lot. The document stands on it's entirety to work...

That never stopped anyone from taking from the Magna Carta what they wanted.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

That never stopped anyone from taking from the Magna Carta what they wanted.

Really?

 

[Lock&Light]

Really?

Did you wink, or have you a tick in your eye?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Did you wink, or have you a tick in your eye?

 

[Lock&Light]

Really?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Yes. Really.

 

[Lock&Light]

Yes. Really.

Ok then.

 

[Jonti]

Lock&Light has gained himself a reputation for playing the man, not the ball. This repution is justified. If you can be bothered to check, you will find a very great many of his posts are not on topic and do not even attempt to make a contribution to the discussion.

His skill lies in being unpleasant to other posters. Increasingly, folks are placing him on Ignore. I have done this myself, and can assure you that threads make better sense without his contributions.

 

[Barking_Mad]

It feels a bit like the movie Independence Day - getting their pieces into position before "time's up" and it's "checkmate".

Spot on in my view. It is after all the Government's job to 'look into the future' and plan for it. If folk take a step back from examining single issues and look at them as one large one and join the dots it's quite clear in my view that something far bigger is happening.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Lock&Light has gained himself a reputation for playing the man, not the ball. This repution is justified. If you can be bothered to check, you will find a very great many of his posts are not on topic and do not even attempt to make a contribution to the discussion.

His skill lies in being unpleasant to other posters. Increasingly, folks are placing him on Ignore. I have done this myself, and can assure you that threads make better sense without his contributions.

Most of his posts are just the innane ramblings of a troll. I'd put him on ignore but I subscribe to the 'every pebble hits the beach' theory and one day he might hit on something interesting. Might be a while, but im a patient person

 

[TAE]

If our own laws matched and exceeded those standards, there'd be no need to have two pieces of law for the same purpose treading on each other's toes.

I don't see it that way at all. Why should the EU (i.e. all it's memebers) not insist that all member states abide by a certain minimum standard.

I'd also remove some of the more nebulous protections in the human rights act, such as the privacy and right to expression one's used to give rights to convicted felons.

Why?

 

[nino_savatte]

That never stopped anyone from taking from the Magna Carta what they wanted.

And what sort of document do you imagine the Magna Carta to be?

It gave more rights to the barons, ordinary folk were excluded.

Get to the back of the class and put this cone-shaped hat on your head.

 

[Lock&Light]

Get to the back of the class and put this cone-shaped hat on your head.

You must have been a fearsome school bully once, but no longer.

 

[magneze]

Spot on in my view. It is after all the Government's job to 'look into the future' and plan for it. If folk take a step back from examining single issues and look at them as one large one and join the dots it's quite clear in my view that something far bigger is happening.

Given that, what do people think is the best way of changing things?

 

[TAE]

I thinking about that one.

As unexciting as it may be, burying the media under tons of letters to the editors would be a start.

 

[nino_savatte]

You must have been a fearsome school bully once, but no longer.

You're projecting again, Schlock. I was never a bully, though I get the feeling that's what you were at school.

I defended people from the bullies. You? You make a complete pirck of yourself everytime you post.

So, the Magna Carta...was it a document that guaranteed democratic freedoms?

 

[Azrael]

I don't see it that way at all. Why should the EU (i.e. all it's memebers) not insist that all member states abide by a certain minimum standard.

Because I believe in national soveringty. EU should be a free-trade block, not a quasi-superstate. Have treaties protecting human rights, sure, but leave the implementation to each state. Relying on foreign courts undermines respect for domestic freedoms.

Why?

Because they're supposed to be punished! Beyond basic protections that should be the case. Like I said in the other human rights thread, the perception that civil liberties is all about protecting the guilty is destroying the cause.